# I'm SO sick of hearing "Trump voters are not bad people...we need to empathize with them". FUCK THAT **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 18, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921 "2016-10-18T04:00:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/101 "2016-10-18T20:14:53Z")
> [@greenmario](#): > > There has never been a time in in American politics where we bring everyone around to a common view. The beauty in it is that we don’t have to. This isn’t North Korea where the leader needs a 100% approval rating. > > So yes, hopefully those tactic will convince half of the Trump supporters. The other half we live with even though we might think they are deplorable. And certainly don’t resort to calling them evil Would you have us pretend that they are _not_ deplorable if we think they are? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/102 "2016-10-18T20:15:59Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Like calling Mexicans rapists. Let’s remember who started the name calling in this campaign. It wasn’t the Dems. It wasn’t the majority or Republican candidates. It was Trump. And his is the example you want to emulate? Ooooookay. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/103 "2016-10-18T20:17:50Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > A Trump like phenomenon had been predicted by the likes of Chomsky, Chris Hedges, and Chalmers Johnson. It didn’t exactly come out of nowhere. **The American left abandoned labor long ago** and barely pretends to be anything but a corporate party. Republicans at least pretend to care. Those people will find answers somewhere, even if they’re terrible answers from talk radio, fundamentalist Christianity, or Info Wars. Alex Jones ranting about globalists being a demonic force seeking to destroy America is more credible to them than Democrats saying coal miners and factory workers are going to retrain to be solar panel installers. 😕 Where the fuck do you get the notion that the “left” is even involved in the picture any more? Labor abandoned the Left (such as it was) back in the Eighties when Little Ronnie Rea-shit came out with his “_Morning in America_” line of crap. The Democrats had the Left, the civil rights movement, and precious little else in '88 against GHWB, and got their asses handed to them. So, in 1992, the Democratic Party, realizing that “the Left” wasn’t going to get them back into the Oval Office, abandoned the “Left.” The Dems have been trying to woo back Labor (with only modest success) since Reagan, and not on behalf of the “Left.” ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/104 "2016-10-18T20:20:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > We’ve tried honey, we’ve tried vinegar, but those flies just keep hanging out by that piece of shit. Shit works for flies. They eat it, lay their eggs in it, it feeds the maggots when they hatch. Honey traps and kills them, and vinegar probably isn’t too good for them either. ---
**Author:** ![greenmario](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/97f17d/32.png) [@greenmario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/greenmario)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/105 "2016-10-18T20:23:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Would you have us pretend that they are _not_ deplorable if we think they are? Its fine if you think they are deplorable. The problem comes when those strong feelings cause you write off 40% of America as a lost cause, and label them all as uneducated, racist, ect. In more extreme cases that need to make everyone agree with you will end up in something awful like a firebombing ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/106 "2016-10-18T20:25:26Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Shit works for flies. They eat it, lay their eggs in it, it feeds the maggots when they hatch. > > Honey traps and kills them, and vinegar probably isn’t too good for them either. Which is my point, it doesn’t matter what we say, they are too interested in that piece of shit to even notice us over here. All the see is that we are trying to distract them from their shitfest, and that makes them angry. (Although IME balsamic vinegar actually catches more flies [fruit flies anyway] than honey, and I have no idea how that could fit into the analogy.) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/107 "2016-10-18T20:27:48Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > . It’s more to do with the feelings of uncertainty in a world with global trade and migration. … Which is then blamed on members of another race… So ya… one step removed. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/108 "2016-10-18T20:33:23Z")
I know a few people who are voting for Trump (barring any MORE developments) They are still welcome to my house for coffee. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/109 "2016-10-18T20:34:55Z")
> [@greenmario](#): > > Its fine if you think they are deplorable. The problem comes when those strong feelings cause you write off 40% of America as a lost cause, and label them all as uneducated, racist, ect. In more extreme cases that need to make everyone agree with you will end up in something awful like a firebombing I’m sorry-Where did this “40% of America” crap come from? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/110 "2016-10-18T20:48:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m sorry-Where did this “40% of America” crap come from? Nothing? How about an apology for repeating that inaccurate “quote”, even though it has been corrected ghod knows how many times since the correct version was first uttered over a month ago? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/111 "2016-10-18T20:59:05Z")
> [@greenmario](#): > > Its fine if you think they are deplorable. The problem comes when those strong feelings cause you write off 40% of America as a lost cause, and label them all as uneducated, racist, ect. In more extreme cases that need to make everyone agree with you will end up in something awful like a firebombing 20% (or less). She did cop to an error in saying it was _half_ of them. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/112 "2016-10-18T21:00:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m sorry-Where did this “40% of America” crap come from? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nothing? How about an apology for repeating that inaccurate “quote”, even though it has been corrected ghod knows how many times since the correct version was first uttered over a month ago? Dude, are you calling YOURSELF out? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/113 "2016-10-18T21:06:09Z")
No, I’m calling out all those all take Clinton’s quote about a percentage of Trump followers and wrongly expand it to the same percentage of _Americans_ to make it look like Clinton was putting down almost half of America. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/114 "2016-10-18T21:07:28Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > 20% (or less). She did cop to an error in saying it was _half_ of them. By “them”, she wasn’t talking about all Americans, was she? ---
**Author:** ![greenmario](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/97f17d/32.png) [@greenmario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/greenmario)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/115 "2016-10-18T21:08:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Nothing? How about an apology for repeating that inaccurate “quote”, even though it has been corrected ghod knows how many times since the correct version was first uttered over a month ago? 40% of America was meant to mean whatever amount of people you deem Trump supporters. The specific number was mentioned earlier in the thread, not by you, so sorry if it came off like I was attributing. Many posters in the thread including the OP won’t admit that there might be nuance in the reasons people support Trump besides that they are terrible people. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/116 "2016-10-18T21:12:09Z")
People of both sides like to paint with broad brushes. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/117 "2016-10-18T21:12:27Z")
> [@greenmario](#): > > 40% of America was meant to mean whatever amount of people you deem Trump supporters. Since The specific number was mentioned earlier in the thread, not by you, so sorry if it came off like I was attributing. > > Many posters in the thread including the OP won’t admit that there might be nuance in the reasons people support Trump besides that they are terrible people. So that would be, what-20 to 40% of 40% of America, right? [Here is what was actually said about his die-hard followers](https://thinkprogress.org/is-hillary-clinton-right-about-trump-supporters-this-is-what-the-polling-data-says-2b37625a1df3#.17k9fp8i1) by her…and the horrible things said about her by Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/118 "2016-10-18T21:15:39Z")
> [@greenmario](#): > > Many posters in the thread including the OP won’t admit that there might be nuance in the reasons people support Trump besides that they are terrible people. There is not much nuance to be found. They are either terrible people (actively hating those of another race) or they’re willing to look the other way at the terrible things Trump has said and done, or they are really, really stupid and gullible. There’s really no other way out for them. Explain to me a 4th way. A nuanced way that a Trump voter could possibly support his candidacy at this point. Trump’s amazing policies? Anything? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/119 "2016-10-18T21:15:42Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > People of both sides like to paint with broad brushes. Why don’t you submit your scientific treatise on how all political parties are equally guilty of everything to a journal, then get back to us? If I _never_ hear that lame-ass excuse again, it will be too soon. ---
**Author:** ![greenmario](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/97f17d/32.png) [@greenmario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/greenmario)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/120 "2016-10-18T21:26:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > So that would be, what-20 to 40% of 40% of America, right? [Here is what was actually said about his die-hard followers](https://thinkprogress.org/is-hillary-clinton-right-about-trump-supporters-this-is-what-the-polling-data-says-2b37625a1df3#.17k9fp8i1) by her…and the horrible things said about her by Trump. I think you’re misunderstanding my beef. Go back and look at the OP, who clearly did not hear the second half of Clinton’s deplorable comment. I’m arguing that its unreasonable to generalize Trump supporters when the Democratic Candidate herself said that there is nuance in their concerns. **Euphonious Polemic** , from Clinton. “people who feel the government has let them down, the economy let them down, nobody cares about them.” She stressed that “[t]hose are people we have to understand and empathize with as well." [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921.md?page=7)