# I'm SO sick of hearing "Trump voters are not bad people...we need to empathize with them". FUCK THAT **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 18, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921 "2016-10-18T04:00:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/161 "2016-10-19T05:42:09Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > Believing the lies of a con artist is in _no one’s_ best interest. I dunno, the con artist usually does okay. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/162 "2016-10-19T05:48:17Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I dunno, the con artist usually does okay. Until he starts believing his own crap. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/163 "2016-10-19T06:06:25Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > Believing the lies of a con artist is in _no one’s_ best interest. Agreed. But consider this: You have someone telling you they are going to do what is in _your worst interest_, verses a con artist lying to you, promising sunshine and lollypops, free beer! Who you gonna go with? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/164 "2016-10-19T06:26:54Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Agreed. But consider this: You have someone telling you they are going to do what is in _your worst interest_, verses a con artist lying to you, promising sunshine and lollypops, free beer! > > Who you gonna go with? If you’re asking me, I am not going with the free beer. But then, I was also never tempted to sign up for Trump “University” or anything like it. I assume that’s true for most people here. What I can’t get over is the people interviewed at Trump rallies who say, nearly verbatim (and I’ve heard this multiple times over the months) “I know he can’t actually do \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, but he’s telling us exactly what we want to hear!” 😕 That’s a \*good \*thing? I grew up understanding the phrase “telling you what you want to hear” as a nicer version of “blowing smoke up your ass”. Basically, bullshit–something coming from a snake in the grass. Since when is it a reason to consciously prefer a candidate? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/165 "2016-10-19T07:55:42Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Cripes, **Clothahump** , even your insults don’t make any sense. Doesn’t he teach Taekwondo? He’s probably been kicked in the head quite a bit. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/166 "2016-10-19T09:50:39Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Agreed. But consider this: You have someone telling you they are going to do what is in _your worst interest_, verses a con artist lying to you, promising sunshine and lollypops, free beer! > > Who you gonna go with? I don’t actually have anyone telling me that. Immigration leading to citizenship, raising the minimum wage and making education more affordable would all be good for the economy. Governments can do some things right, and completely unregulated markets often don’t remain free for long. I’m not afraid of people who don’t look like me or LGBTQ-whatever people, or those who believe in different religions, so long as they don’t require me to believe also. What’s not in my best interest? ---
**Author:** ![Waco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@Waco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waco)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/167 "2016-10-19T12:04:42Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They are right wingers, and we are supposed to pretend that right wingers are good people no matter how horribly they act or how open they are in their malice. > > Of course if someone is a left winger or moderate it’s perfectly alright to call them a monster. It’s only the Right that’s sacrosanct. Who will the Left have to hate, and feel morally superior to, if those horrible Right Wingers all went away? ---
**Author:** ![Waco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@Waco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waco)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/168 "2016-10-19T12:07:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I dunno, the con artist usually does okay. Best con artist is usually the one the media dotes on… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/169 "2016-10-19T12:13:18Z")
> [@Waco](#): > > Best con artist is usually the one the media dotes on… What about the one that tells you what you want to hear, although his past gives you no reason whatsoever to believe that he is interested in anyone but himself? The one that makes incredible claims about what he is going to do…but never actually explains how he is going to do it? ---
**Author:** ![Waco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@Waco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waco)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/170 "2016-10-19T12:14:33Z")
I asked my liberal friends(they tolerate me), what was going to happen after Hillary is elected. They indicated a desire to weed out certain"undesirable"elements within the Democrat party. Apparently, some Democrats are too far to the Right? ---
**Author:** ![Waco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/edb3f5/32.png) [@Waco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waco)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/171 "2016-10-19T12:17:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What about the one that tells you what you want to hear, although his past gives you no reason whatsoever to believe that he is interested in anyone but himself? The one that makes incredible claims about what he is going to do…but never actually explains how he is going to do it? The BEST con artist, is the one the media dotes on. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/172 "2016-10-19T12:17:21Z")
> [@Waco](#): > > They indicated a desire to weed out certain"undesirable"elements within the Democrat party. That’s literally impossible. It’s provable that there are no undesirable elements within the Democrat party. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/173 "2016-10-19T12:22:51Z")
> [@Waco](#): > > Who will the Left have to hate, and feel morally superior to, if those horrible Right Wingers all went away? Mere liberals like me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/174 "2016-10-19T12:28:07Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Mere liberals like me. 😉 You may not realize it, but this is a very good point. The Left doesn’t tend to dislike liberals in general, but liberals like **SlackerInc** –egomaniacs who lash out with uninformed contempt at political rivals, who brag about tehir own genius because it’s otherwise not on display, who construct shoddy arguments and then insult people who don’t understand what point they intended to convey–will never be liked, despite their political leanings. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/175 "2016-10-19T12:33:33Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > Please grace us with your presence on November 9, when President Hillary’s victory speech is replayed over and over on all the networks Nitpick- she’ll be president-elect on November 9, not president. To be really anal, she’ll be the presumptive president-elect pending the vote of the electors and the counting of ballots in the Senate. I don’t see a need to empathize with Trump voters and not all of them are bad people. I categorize Trumpians as follows: 1- Social Warriors. Most typically anti-abortion, they base their vote on one issue and will vote for Trump with the hope of getting Roe eventually overturned. I disagree with their beliefs and goals, but at least they’re being consistent. They will vote for a lying sociopathic sexual predator in hopes of eliminating what they perceive as a greater social evil. 2- Woefully Misinformed. These are the people that listen to Hate Radio, watch Fox, and believe every right wing Facebook meme. They live in an alternate reality and within that reality, they are the forces of good fighting against the satanic horde. 3- Assholes. These are people who hate Muslims, Mexicans, blacks, women, whatever. They are the truly unredeemable deplorables and probably the vast majority of those that you see at his rallies. I believe the social warriors are in the minority of the Trump supporters, and there is a great overlap between groups 2 and 3. I often say that supporting Trump does not make you an asshole, but being an asshole makes you support Trump. Those who are in group 1 can’t be reasoned with, they have their principles and will stand by them. Those in group 2 can’t be reasoned with, they will not leave their information bubble. Nor can those in group 3 be reasoned with. My bottom line is that any attempt to reason with or empathize with Trumpians is a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/176 "2016-10-19T12:34:20Z")
Yeah, okay **LHOD**. :rolleyes: Hope that was cathartic for you to get out of your system. Anyhoo. The left wingers I’m talking about do dislike “mere liberals” in general, whom they see as hopelessly compromised by the military-industrial complex and too focused on social issues to really seek fundamental structural changes in the economy. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/177 "2016-10-19T12:57:19Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Anyhoo. The left wingers I’m talking about do dislike “mere liberals” in general, whom they see as hopelessly compromised by the military-industrial complex and too focused on social issues to really seek fundamental structural changes in the economy. Those left wingers are exactly like you, inasmuch as they look at folks with moderately similar views and, instead of looking for ways to build an alliance, look for ways to show how they’re ideologically superior and the other folks are contemptible. I have much more patience with folks, radicals or moderates, who look to build alliances. At least, that’s how I feel outside of the Pit :). ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/178 "2016-10-19T13:13:01Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’m just not having it. **If you have an IQ over 80, and you still support Trump after all the widely publicized things he has said, you don’t have the right to be considered a good person.** Then you’re a nasty, stupid, ignorant, arrogant idiot. Try reading [this piece](http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/cities-what-they-do-to-people-and-2016.html) from someone who thinks Clinton will win. > [@](#): > > I could go on, but I think the point is made. Big-city life is, to a large extent, artificial, a construct derived from its surroundings - surroundings which are cut off from the basic cycles of nature, food and resource production, and so on. Inevitably, of course, that isolation from such things produces an outlook on life that both expresses, and further changes, the urban environment. A classic example is so-called ‘cultural Marxism’. I’ve met very few rural dwellers who would give even a moment’s thought to such nonsense, let alone devote time and attention to analyzing it. It’s so far from their lived reality that it would be pointless to do so. On the other hand, urban academic elites see no problem in doing so, because they aren’t rooted in the lived realities of rural life. They’ve cocooned themselves in an artificial environment where such speculation has little or no real-world connotation. As a result, they fail to recognize that its social application may have real-world consequences. > > Basically, city dwellers see life, the universe and everything through the artificial spectacles of their urban environment. They don’t think about, or take into consideration, the fact that their perspective is rooted in and grounded on an environment that is, in many cases, divorced from reality and built upon theoretical constructs that fail to recognize their dependence on reality. When reality intrudes, the artificial urban environment comes crashing down around their ears. In [another entry](http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/the-emasculated-voter.html), he excerpts David Gelertner of the WSJ: > [@David Gelertner](#): > > Mr. Trump’s candidacy is a message from the voters. He is the empty gin bottle they have chosen to toss through the window. The message begins with the fact that voters hear what the leaders and pundits don’t: the profound contempt for America and Americans that Mrs. Clinton and President Obama share and their frightening lack of emotional connection to this nation and its people. As I’ve said in other threads, it could be anyone but it happens to be Trump who is the focal point for their anger. Now, I don’t believe that there are sufficient angry people to elect Trump - indeed I predict a landslide for Clinton - but the establishment should take this as a warning that they are dangerously out of touch. We saw it with Perot in 92, the Tea Party in the past decade, and now Trump. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/179 "2016-10-19T13:17:16Z")
> [@Waco](#): > > I asked my liberal friends(they tolerate me), what was going to happen after Hillary is elected. > They indicated a desire to weed out certain"undesirable"elements within the Democrat party. > Apparently, some Democrats are too far to the Right? Wow, that sounds really scary. Who are you, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921/180 "2016-10-19T14:03:38Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t see a need to empathize with Trump voters and not all of them are bad people. I categorize Trumpians as follows: > > 1- Social Warriors. Most typically anti-abortion, they base their vote on one issue and will vote for Trump with the hope of getting Roe eventually overturned. I disagree with their beliefs and goals, but at least they’re being consistent. They will vote for a lying sociopathic sexual predator in hopes of eliminating what they perceive as a greater social evil. > > 2- Woefully Misinformed. These are the people that listen to Hate Radio, watch Fox, and believe every right wing Facebook meme. They live in an alternate reality and within that reality, they are the forces of good fighting against the satanic horde. > > 3- Assholes. These are people who hate Muslims, Mexicans, blacks, women, whatever. They are the truly unredeemable deplorables and probably the vast majority of those that you see at his rallies. > > I believe the social warriors are in the minority of the Trump supporters, and there is a great overlap between groups 2 and 3. I often say that supporting Trump does not make you an asshole, but being an asshole makes you support Trump. > > Those who are in group 1 can’t be reasoned with, they have their principles and will stand by them. Those in group 2 can’t be reasoned with, they will not leave their information bubble. Nor can those in group 3 be reasoned with. My bottom line is that any attempt to reason with or empathize with Trumpians is a waste of time. Excellent analysis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-so-sick-of-hearing-trump-voters-are-not-bad-people-we-need-to-empathize-with-them-fuck-that/768921.md?page=10)