# I'm sorry, but all the new Trek films are garbage compared to the original ones **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-all-the-new-trek-films-are-garbage-compared-to-the-original-ones/830907 "2019-03-10T19:21:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-all-the-new-trek-films-are-garbage-compared-to-the-original-ones/830907/61 "2019-03-12T19:05:26Z")
Since Spock clearly tells Young Spock “You have to find your own destiny”…and the butterfly effect isnt a butterfly effect but with the destruction of Kelvin, Vulcan and a huge part of the fleet…its if the butterfly was the size of a planet: Old Spock has to have created a commision to deal with all the threats that the Enterprise barely dealt with.To do otherwise is insane. In my head canon this is what led Section 31 to find Khan and his buddies and use them for their own means. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-all-the-new-trek-films-are-garbage-compared-to-the-original-ones/830907/62 "2019-03-12T19:22:11Z")
Cumberbatch ain’t no Montalban, that’s fer damn sure. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-all-the-new-trek-films-are-garbage-compared-to-the-original-ones/830907/63 "2019-03-12T19:27:24Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I’m not saying it can’t be canon, but I think it’s done as a sort of retrospective and farewell. It’s certainly the end of the line for me, everything done after was STINO. As mentioned it brings back Spock, great for the fans, but not making any real sense. I like to see it as a gift to the fans to make up for the bad movies and go out on a high note. I’ve never understood the love for _The Voyage Home_. It has essentially the same plot as the first _Star Trek_ film, except with whales instead of machines, and is predicated on the “universal translator”—which somehow is capable of instantly interpreting the communications of almost every other species they meet—not being able to understand whale songs. It uses time travel, which is almost always a sloppy plotting device prone to all sorts of plot holes, to bring two humpback whales to the future, where they somehow respond in the affirmative instead of telling the probe, “The Hu-Mans hunted us to extinction, so feel free to kill them all.” The film wants to seem to say things about contemporary Western culture and environmentalism but it isn’t clear exactly what, and it mines a lot of cheeseball humor out of the crew being fish out of water in the 20th Century even though the show had them “slingshotting” back there repeatedly, and they’ve all apparently lived in San Francisco, which looks about the same in the future as it does in 1986 except there are flying cars, so it isn’t clear why they are so confused as to where Alemeda is. Spock at least has the excuse that he’s been resurrected and mind-dumped, although why they have him walking around like a lost child is unclear when he should probably be back at the ship doing science-y things to make it go. It also uses the “transporter works until the plot requires that it doesn’t” trope, and has a cloking device work so perfectly that people can literally not see it but somehow groups of jugglers, tai chi practicioneers, and SCA enthusiasts who normally populate every open space in Golden Gate Park aren’t constantly running into it. Even with all of that, it’s still _Citizen Kane_ compared to the Abrams-directed/produced films. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-all-the-new-trek-films-are-garbage-compared-to-the-original-ones/830907/64 "2019-03-12T19:32:23Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > I’ve never understood the love for _The Voyage Home_. > … Because it’s fun, and if you don’t take it as a serious attempt at a Star Trek film it’s more acceptable. > [@](#): > > Even with all of that, it’s still _Citizen Kane_ compared to the Abrams-directed/produced films. > > Stranger This is the real point. Let them steal all the detail from the ST universe that they can if you want, but they are still producing lousy movies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-all-the-new-trek-films-are-garbage-compared-to-the-original-ones/830907.md?page=3)