# I'm sorry, but Zenster is a fuckwit. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2003, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669 "2003-05-16T13:20:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/121 "2003-05-19T02:53:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by \*\*obfusciatrist \*\*\* > But you are inaccurately paraphrasing what I said to make the point you want to make. To be more accurate you’d have to say > > “Some people think obfusciatrist is nice. In fact, I don’t think he is. But if you disagree that is ok.” Except you didn’t say “think.” You said “this isn’t true.” I hear you saying that this sentence referred to his potentially dichotomous personality, not the actual appeal of his IRL personality. All I can say is that I (and evidently others as well) didn’t read it that way (‘you may think he’s a peach IRL. It’s not true.’ See where I’m getting it?). But there’s no point in me arguing with you over what you meant. And again, I agree with everything else you’re saying. You say you don’t want to convince anyone of anything regarding **Zenster** , fine. I’ll let it go if you will. ---
**Author:** ![Bad\_News\_Baboon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/5fc32e/32.png) [@Bad\_News\_Baboon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bad_News_Baboon)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/122 "2003-05-19T02:55:13Z")
Zenster, I haven’t really interacted with you other than in your dog thread. You wrote me back, after the fact. I thought that was so thoughtful of you. I am really saddened by this thread because I don’t think ANYONE here could escape unscathed if we were to be judged by every single one of our IRL actions. I know I have had my bad days, and I would come out looking like the bitch of the year if every one piled on. I think this thread speaks volumes and volumes about the people who have participated in it. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/123 "2003-05-19T03:04:00Z")
You’re again cutting it off. If you only apply the “it’s not true” to the second half of the preceding sentence then it means what you thought. If you apply it to the whole preceding sentence, then it isn’t contradicting the “peach” idea, but the idea that his online personality can be viewed as distinct from his real life personality. But I will also admit that I frequently get into trouble because I don’t think it is necessary to precede the obviously subjective with the phrase “I think” or “In my opinion”. “I don’t like Zenster” “_Daddy Day Care_ is a bad movie.” Both are obviously subjective determinations, both are obviously just my opinions. It gets tedious to constantly label obvious opinion as such. And I don’t want to convince anybody whether they should like Zenster. I do want to convince people that his online and offline personalities are essentially the same, and that those who like his online personality will probably like him in real life and those who don’t like his online personality probably won’t like him in real life. But I can let it go as well; the weekend is almost over. So, with this, I bid you all adieu. It’s been fun. ---
**Author:** ![whistlepig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/73ab20/32.png) [@whistlepig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whistlepig)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/124 "2003-05-19T03:16:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by whistlepig \* > \*\*Yeah, that would explain your sixteen posts in this thread. > > 17 and counting? \*\* 19 and 20 . . . ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/125 "2003-05-19T03:20:09Z")
No, I know I was cutting it off that time. I wasn’t still arguing for my interpretation, just trying to show how I arrived at it. Sorry I didn’t make that clearer. Have a good one. On preview: **whistlepig** , leave him alone. I called him an asshole, does he not have the right to respond? Every single one of the last 5 or 6 have included him saying “I don’t want to convince anybody whether they should like Zenster,” so lay off. ---
**Author:** ![whistlepig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/73ab20/32.png) [@whistlepig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whistlepig)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/126 "2003-05-19T03:31:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by White Lightning \* > \*\*On preview: **whistlepig** , leave him alone. I called him an asshole, does he not have the right to respond? \*\* Yep, me too. 20 and counting. What’s the point of this thread anymore? Whistlepig ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/127 "2003-05-19T04:12:31Z")
OK, here’s the deal. Next time we go to **Demo** - and **Psy** ’s, I’ll swing by Play It Again Sports and get one of those inflatable pools, then I’ll swing by Cala and buy out all the Jello pudding mix they have. We’ll set it all up in their backyard, and have a Jell-O Fight To Creamy Death! (Speaking of which, where’s **SeaDiver** …?) ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/128 "2003-05-19T04:13:20Z")
Are you in the right thread with that? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/129 "2003-05-19T04:35:59Z")
I’ll bring the beer. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/130 "2003-05-19T05:52:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rilchiam \* > \*\*Are you in the right thread with that? \*\* Yep… BADfests are often held at Demo and Psy’s place in Santa Rosa. ---
**Author:** ![Doobieous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Doobieous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doobieous)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/131 "2003-05-19T09:47:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Troy McClure SF \* > \*\*Yep… BADfests are often held at Demo and Psy’s place in Santa Rosa. \*\* Yeah, that’s if you actually GET there. Last time i saw your ass was in Santa Cruz two years ago with Oldscratch! I ain’t seen you in forevah! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/132 "2003-05-19T11:32:59Z")
YUCK! What happened to “Poster A you are an a-hole because you said…” then poster A tells Poster B to fuck off and it’s all about WOMD or some such thing! I was feeling ick about this thread about halfway through so I only skimmed but am I wrong in thinking that Zen didn’t respond? And if I am not am I wrong in feeling a bit concerned? My 2 cents is that pit threads should stick to “You, Poster A sir are an utter wanker because you believe in farming cats for fur”…“well You, Poster B are an arsehat because everyone knows that cats fur is warmest”. Shit surely there is MORE then enough to argue about without denigrating (or elevating) people based on IRL experiences. I just hope Zenster (brilliant chef OR loudmouth) is feeling ok and is still wanting to come back after this thread. I admit to feeling a tad jealous that dopefests are allllllllllllllllllll the way over there, so I won’t be attending one anytime soon and I admit to loving reading about them. BUT I don’t think that opinions about others based on these meetings (or other IRL meetings) are reason to critique someones postings. I have never met a single one of you…I know I “like” some of you and “dislike” others. That may or may not influence what I read but only in the way that I am more willing to read one author as opposed to another. When I dislike an author I don’t feel a need to find out more about his personal life to back up my dislike. I like my SDMB with people to “like”, people to “hate”, lots of people, lots of opinions and lots of fun. This thread wasn’t fun. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/133 "2003-05-19T11:40:20Z")
The point being made is about what sort of person I am. At first the thread concerned my presence at this board but others have seen fit to take it well beyond that. This is going to be a long post, so please buckle up for the ride. Because of the kindness shown by so many fellow board members, I most definitely _will_ respond to this particular Pit thread. I am so late in posting because I’ve spent the entire weekend helping with a fundraiser for one of the largest Burning Man encampments. I cannot express in words how wonderful it was to be around these people. All of them are utterly transparent and open with everyone else. There are no mind games and ill feelings, fights or violence are not even an applicable concept. Saturday night’s party was a huge success and I’m waiting to see how much money we raised for the Burning Man installation. Yeah, the music was Techno (not my favorite) but I would just about listen to Rap (not really) in order to be around people like them. I’ll give you an idea of what sort of folks these are. Somewhere around six o’clock in the morning, someone borrowed my gold Cross pen for the umpteenth time and I was too exhausted to get it back from them. I discovered the loss in the morning and fretted mildly about it on the way back to San Francisco for today’s site cleanup. I was confident that a simple group email would suffice to track it down. As an aside, a few blocks away from the party’s location I saw something that lifted my spirits all day. Forty people were in a business plaza’s courtyard doing some fine and well-synchronized jazz dance. I am unable to explain why it was so intensely beautiful to see all these people joyously performing their art. I could only think of the previous night’s party and all of the excellent artists who were there then. With misplacing my gold pen still nibbling around the edges of my mind, I walked into the party site and _PRESTO!_ there was my pen, laying out on the bar, where I had done a few shifts the night before. This was the caliber of people I spent the entire weekend with. I cannot adequately explain to you the profound joy of being around so few mind games and head-trips. Such garbage mentality was literally non-existent and the harmonious atmosphere was incredibly nourishing, refreshing and uplifting to my spirit and soul. Time for the old mail sack: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tony Barber’s Underwear \* > It may be an unpopular statement, but Zenster is a fuckwit. > > He is a pompous shitwit who blows off the handle at anyone who disagrees with him. He should really settle down and take things easier. > > The sad thing about this rant is that I think that he is probably a wonderful person to know. He obviously knows his stuff about cooking, he cares for hiis fellow human being, and he has some incisive comments to make about the human condition. > > But, by Christ, he is fucking irritating. He refuses to accept criticism, he rabbits on about his own superiority, and he goes off the handle at the smallest slight. > > He has a lot of posts, and I like most of them, but he is an irritating piece of work. > > Bubba. "… The sad thing about this rant is that I think that he is probably a wonderful person to know. He obviously knows his stuff about cooking, he cares for his fellow human being, and he has some incisive comments to make about the human condition …” I’ll let you speak for your self , **TB’s U** (Oh by the way, is it **Mr. Briefs** , **Mr. Boxers** or is this all a horrible ironic twist because Tony Barber goes **commando**?) So far, all of this is strictly your opinion and I may not agree with it but I’ll defend to the death your right to mention it. Next! > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mallocks \* > got any links that I can see to support your claims? Quite a fair and reasonable suggestion. Thank you, **mallocks**. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > Do you have a single cite for this, or are you going for the creepy stalker vibe? Getting rather ahead of ourselves, aren’t we **elf6c**? Rather prescient of you, I’d say. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by El\_Kabong \* > Say, since you’re so close to the man, being his underwear and all, what’s Tony Barber really like? I think I hear a cite rattling down the driveway. One will be here soon. From the looks of things, it seems like Tony’s got his panties in a rather nasty bunch. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lieu \* > I’ve never understood publicly calling someone out when simply avoiding them would be so much easier and not add to any general tension here, especially when…Seriously, could you not find a bastard more deserving? Believe me, I can help! Neither have I, **lieu**. That single statement may well be one of the most profound observations in this entire Trainwreck of a Thread™. I guess that now **Wildest Bill** has been banned, the position for Most Annoying Poster _is_ up for grabs. As per my usual overachieving self, I’m trying to medal in both the IRL and Online events. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Priceguy \* > First of all, isn’t **Zenster** a woman? > > Second of all, care to link to an example? [looks down past the soon to mentioned and now famous underwear] Nope, still a guy. [/looks down past the soon to mentioned and now famous underwear] Second request there **Mr. Knickers**. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/134 "2003-05-19T11:42:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by green\_bladder \* > is this about the [butting in line](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183501&perpage=50&pagenumber=2) thread? Who knows? Let’s just say the safe money is on that one coming up. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by intarweb man \* > Does the straight dope have an ignore list button? This one short post most succinctly summarizes the entire issue at hand. With this ordinary and intelligent question now asked, anything beyond its simple answer is only so much malicious window dressing. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tony Barber’s Underwear \* > [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183501) > > [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183355) > > [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=620589&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending) > > and > > [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=169777) > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by green\_bladder \* > is this about the [butting in line](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183501&perpage=50&pagenumber=2) thread? Top of the list **green\_bladder** , good call. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > **Zensters** male. and I agree w/lieu’s assesment and hereby offer a steady supply of names more worthy. > > **Zenster** is a deeply loyal, caring human being (IMHO), which can, of course, lead to deeply held feelings when people he cares about are threatened. > > I think sometimes he vents here, so that IRL, he doesnt’ end up acting out poorly. I’ve seen him respond to reasoned appeals, and not unlike damn near 90% of the folks here, respond venomously when they feel attack - IOW, reply to him saying ‘you fuckwit’, he’ll ratchet up a notch, appeal to him reasonably, he’s more likely to see your point. (not always, but who here is innocent on that?) Thank you, **wring**. It’s nice to know that what I hold dear is pretty obvious to others at these boards. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by obfusciatrist \* > Tony, unless he’s changed over the last couple years, he isn’t that great in person, either. Ahhh, dependable as a red-ragged bull. Seems unusually brief for one of his pet topics. Let’s all wait and see how he remedies this glaring defect. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jabba \* > Yes. You can add people to it in two ways: > (i) Click on the ‘profile’ button under one of your posts, click ‘User CP’, then click ‘Edit Ignore List’ and type in the poster’s name. > (ii) Click ‘profile’ under a post by the offending ( or offensive) poster and click on ’ Add [poster] to your ignore list’. > > You should note, however, that it is expressly forbidden under board rules to give any indication of who, if anyone, is on your list. Thank you for the complete answer to **intarweb man** ’s question. Seems like something any eight year old can figure out in a minute or less. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lieu \* > How does that work? Can you no longer see any of their posts? I find the scroll button to work with equal effectiveness. Evidently, others are incapable of deftly operating such an advanced technology. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Homebrew \* > When you come across one of their posts, instead of their text you see > > “This poster is on your ignore list” > > There is also a “Click Here” link to view the post in a pop-up window. Sounds too complicated, I’ll stick with the scroll button. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lieu \* > Oh look, apparently it makes it say “This poster is on your ignore list”. > > Heh heh… just kidding **Homebrew**. All right, enough of the cracking wise, already! That’s my turf and I’ll brook no interlopers. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/135 "2003-05-19T11:44:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JuanitaTech \* > How can you pit someone with such impeccable culinary taste? Have I told you how wonderful your hair looks done up that way? Thanks for your vote of confidence, **JT**. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrDeth \* > I like zenster, and his posts, although I wil admit it does seem like sometimes he is posting in an “altered” state. 😃 (Hey, zen- come on, you can admit it, is this true?) > > I read the butting in line thread, and paid attention to zenster’s posts. Then I re-read the above second rate rant. I admit I am whooshed. Why, thank you **Doctor**. Got any more of those happy pills you like to scatter in your wake? I too, am rather wooshed about what it is that comes across as arrogant in the “Butting In Line Thread” (hereinafter referred to as the "BILT). > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kyla \* > Eh, you might change your mind if you ever met him. Gosh, **Kyla** , I haven’t _seen_ or _heard_ from you in _years_. How nice of you to drop by and share your candid insights with us today. Evidently email or some remark to me in person was out of the question, so I’m glad you had the chance to post it here in this intimate little setting. Hey, what’s that over there on the carpet? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JuanitaTech \* > ouch! Stick around **JT** , that’s lightweight stuff. The fun’s just beginning. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > Plus, I impeccable culinary taste doesn’t require one be an insufferable food snob. That’s, **_Mister_ Insufferable Food Snob** to you, **jarbabyj**! > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sylkyn \* > B…b…but I _like_ **Zenster**! He doesn’t bother me at all. I missed him dreadfully when he was on hiatus, and welcomed him back in an email when I noticed his return. > > Maybe I’m just not seeing the tone of his threads the way other people are seeing it. [sub][sup]And maybe it’s because I’m an obnoxious bitch myself IRL and our tones match…I dunno.[/sub][/sup] > > I also have learned a great deal about foods/recipes/etc. from him, so in my book, he’s done his part for ignorance battling. Especially my own. Thank you, **Sylkyn**. Your email really touched my heart, as do your kind words here. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > Seems like an okay guy to me. Short tempered, maybe, and obstinate when he gets his back up, but he’s hardly unique in that quality 'round these parts. Do you have the nerve to insinuate that I might have something with other members of these boards?!? What an outlandish notion! Who’d have thought? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JuanitaTech \* > As an insufferable food snob, I take umbrage at your statement, jar! Word, sister. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arden Ranger \* > I have never met Zenster, and truthfully I really don’t him very well, but he has taken on hero status in my house. > > He knew money was tighter than tight in my house and that my daughter’s 16th birthday was coming up and there was no way I could get her any of the things she asked for, he went out and bought her a CD player, some rather expensive but heavenly chocolate, and sent her some CDs. He also included an ungodly amount of gumballs for my son and some Army men, which were his favorite things at the time. > > Nobody asked him to do this, we certainly didn’t expect it, but he did it because he wanted to and because he’s got a good heart. He does stuff like this for people less fortunate than him all the time. > > So if he gets his back up on occasion and loses his temper, I can easily overlook it because of the good things I know he does that he rarely if ever talks about. Thanks so much, **Arden Ranger**. Your latitude is well appreciated. Knowing that your daughter had a real birthday after all was the best part of things. You seem to understand my own motivations really well. Others around here may not, so I’ll take the liberty of clarifying things here in case they are unclear. Most often, I give or do good things for one simple reason and one alone; Because I can. People around here love to beat me up over this as being arrogant or self centered. I could care less and view their protests as something akin to resentment that I should think that way. **Arden Ranger** , in your specific case I had another nearly overriding motivation. (Yup, here comes the dreadful, icky “strings attached” part. You just knew it, didn’t you?) Since you have already made note of your financial difficulties during that time, I’ll make mention of something more minor which really shook me up. When you told me how your daughter had instructed you to spend her birthday money on Christmas presents for her little brother and all of you, it ripped my heart out. I get all dewy just thinking about it now. When I heard that, it made me resolve to show your daughter that Christmas is a year-round event and a compassionate young lady _always_ deserves a sweet sixteenth birthday. If there was happiness in your home that day, it’s the best reward of all. That you are so kind in rising to my defense here, is priceless. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/136 "2003-05-19T11:47:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by alice\_in\_wonderland \* > Humm - based on the actions that **Arden Ranger** has described I think I have to give my vote to “OK Guy”. Your vote of confidence is much appreciated, **alice\_in\_wonderland** , thank you. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Emperor Penguin \* > I have to say, in all my interactions with **Zenster** , which have been regretablly few, on this board, he has always come across as an excellent poster. > > Heck he wrote out a massive recipie for domades, complete with footnotes. when I asked. Anyone who would share sucha recipie for such a delicious food is top notch in my book. > > Sure, we all have our off days, but really, there are posters on this board who I find much more annoying. Okay, that sounds like I’m damning him with faint praise. What I mean is not that he is less annoying than most, because he’s not. Annoying I mean… He isn’t… What I’m trying to say is… > > Oh forget it… I’ve lost myself. > > Put it this way, I like **Zenster**. He rocks. You da’ king there, **Emperor**! Thanks. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Vixenation \* > Go **Zenster**! He seems like a perfectly fine man, so I don’t know what the problem is. Well, at least _one_ **Vixen** here thinks so. Thank you. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Waverly \* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Kyla_ > > Eh, you might change your mind if you ever met him. > > I have no idea if it is justified or not, but this just struck me as one of the coldest things I’ve ever seen posted in the pit. I don’t know why, but it just struck me. I hope that although it is conspicuously absent from the post, there is reason to say this. Just wait, it only gets better. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > On the basis of **Arden Ranger** ’s testimony, I’m offically upgrading my rating of “okay guy” to “really cool dude.” Wow, a free upgrade. What a great day! Thanks, **Miller**. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DocCathode \* > In a recent thread, I posted that I had to drop out of college 8 years ago and was still unable to go back. > > Zenster sent me an e-mail offering emotional support, money for text books and other things. He made no mention of loan, or expecting to be paid back. Again, he did this in a private way. None of you would ever have heard of it if I hadn’t posted this. > > If there’s a reason to Pit him,I haven’t seen it. Thanks, **Doc**. My offer still stands. Just let me know if you change your mind. I wish you the best. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sylkyn \* > After reading all this, if I liked him before…I simply _adore_ him now. > > **Zenster** , baby…take a bow. I’m honored. [bows] > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ukulele Ike \* > I agree with the OP. He’s a _dreadful_ fuckwit. > > I cook a lot too. And I play the saxophone. And while I skip over 99% of his posts, the 1% that I hit make me want to quit both, take up knitting and playing the harpsichord. > > On the positive side, he lives on the other end of the continent. Ehhh, quit yer knittin’, **Ike**. I only _pretend_ to have a miniscule portion of your literary wit. Matter of fact, got lots of kudos on my saxamaphone playing at the party last night. I like knowing that we have this noble instrument in common. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/137 "2003-05-19T11:50:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by voguevixen \* > On the basis of Arden Ranger’s testimony, I’m offically upgrading my rating of “insufferable blowhard” to “creepy stalker freak.” And this is where you cross the line, **voguevixen**. It is a serious accusation for you to charge someone with stalking, be it in cyberspace or in real life. I now give you three options: 1. Post an immediate retraction and apology in this thread or at these boards. 2. Absent that, post any and all emails or chat logs showing every contact that I ever had with you _ **almost three years ago** _. Demonstrate with such evidence how you are entitled to maintain the position that I _have ever in any way_ stalked you in cyber form or in real life. 3. Be reported to the moderators for your slander. You have gone beyond the pale with your false accusation and I find your particularly jerkish behavior absolutely disgusting. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dr\_Paprika \* > Zenster’s always seemed like a pleasant fellow to me. Not particularly short tempered. Clearly munificent and helpful. Most good cooks are a little obsessive about food, and Zenster wouldn’t seem to be much worse for his enthusiasms. I really don’t care if he watches television or not. His cigar box collection sounds kind of cool. There are real fuckwits on this board more worthy of a pitting, and quite a lame pitting at that. Woo Hoo! Three out of five **Doctor** s agree! Thank you for your pleasant and rather spot-on assessment, **Doc**. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arden Ranger \* > 😕 > > I fail to see how Zenster pretty much saving my kid’s very important birthday and renewing my faith that there are people out there that give a damn about anyone outside their own little sphere is even remotely creepy. A very good question and one that we might get an answer to if **voguevixen** has any ovaries at all. Stay tuned. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by masonite \* > I have no dog in this fight, but I’d rate personal interaction (as attested to by **Arden Ranger** and **Doc Cathode** ) higher than board personality, in evaluating a person. What you post on a messageboard is one thing. What you do in “real life” is another, and, I think, more significant. > > Of course, without the personal testimony, all most people have to go on here is the postings. Thanks, I agree with you even if others don’t. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Binarydrone \* > I am just about 100% sure that this refers to the OP and not to you. This could use some clarification. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Demo \* > Zenster is the guy that was bitching because someone gave him a free venue to play his music and then he bitched about them not giving him free food too, right? > > I say he’s an alright guy though. You all just need to ride a dappled pony. Do people actually read the posts in a [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=169777) anymore. Please come back and post once you have actually taken the time to do so, **Demo**. > [@](#): > > If someone (especially a store employee on their break) has only one or two items, I cheerfully let them cut in front of me (and frequently have to insist upon it). I also encourage others in front of me to pass a store employee on their break directly to the front of the line. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by fessie \* > Oh, yeah, a real pimple on humanity’s ass :rolleyes:. > > So he gets aggravated - give the guy a break! From what I read, he makes a lot of effort to do things _right_. People like that expect some reciprocation. > > Zenster wrote a terrific post on a thread I started - I really appreciated his support and enjoyed reading about his adventures, he had a lot of interesting things to day. > > Besides, I may be a newbie, but I thought the point of coming here was to express oneself with some emphasis - what’s the point of being milquetoast? **fessie** , your compassion puts you well past the “newbie” category compared to some more tenured posters at these boards. I’ll gladly contribute to your threads whenever possible. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/138 "2003-05-19T11:53:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > On the other hand, I remember these: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=88571&highlight=Zenster](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=88571&highlight=Zenster) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=76842&highlight=Zenster](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=76842&highlight=Zenster) > > But most especially this one: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=40117&highlight=Zenster](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=40117&highlight=Zenster) > I haven’t run into him since his return, other than to note that he came back, so I really can’t say from experience if he’s gone nuts and become a jerk or anything. > > I will say that on this board as in life, it is hard to escape and become something other than what people think you are. > > If y’all say he’s flaked out, I’ll take your word for it. Thanks for the links, **Scylla**. We don’t always see eye to eye but I’d like to think that we share similar values. Please drop by the cooking thread sometime. We want your legendary _fajitas_ recipe. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ruby \* > **Zenster** , while I by no means have read every one of your posts, you are A-Number-One with me. When your **Zen** (wolfhound, for those of you that don’t know) was going through a rough spot, you posted on this board. You _(and you alone)_ took the time to individually thank the people by e-mail that wished you well. > > You’re a good man, **Zenster**. Thank you for remembering, **Ruby**. That was a real rough patch for me and the support I received here was very helpful. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kiffa \* > Ditto…You are a good man Zenster. I like you alot. Thanks, gal. I hope your sis is safe and well. Both of you are missed over in the new recipe thread. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > Zenster’s just emotional, like all us Greeks. 😃 > > Seriously, I’ve always had good experiences with him when there’s been a misunderstanding, just reasoning with him via personal communications. If he’s in error, he always graciously admits it and profusely apologizes. If you are in error, he doesn’t rub it in your face. > > A couple people don’t like him IRL. Eh. No one likes me IRL either. And I find it profoundly ironic that some people who are considered to be ever-so-cool at Dopefests are in reality disgusting and evil little criminals, who are nothing more than experts at manipulating people to live off of them and/or use them. Oh well. :rolleyes: Coming from one of my all time favorite posters, I am near to squirming. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. Cynical \* > Maybe, if you would make sure that you define who you’re talking about, people would be less weirded out by what you post? > > I mean, that could be ANYONE. How do I know you’re not going on and on about Ed Zotti, for instance? Get back on topic you SUV driver, you! > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > It could be you, Mr. C. When the police gave me a doll, and I showed them what you did to me, they threw _me_ in jail! 😉 More of these serious allegations. This thread’s a regular scandal sheet! > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bdgr \* > Well, Tony…Zensters one of my favorite people…who are you again? You’ll have to ask him to speak up a bit. Always talking through a pair of trousers muffles him somewhat. I’ll have all of you know that **bdgr** posted this despite me not finishing his new resumé some weeks ago, like I told him I would. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/139 "2003-05-19T11:57:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Zenster wrote: > > Gosh, Kyla, I haven’t seen or heard from you in years. How nice of you to drop by and share your candid insights with us today. Evidently email or some remark to me in person was out of the question, so I’m glad you had the chance to post it here in this intimate little setting. That’s it in a nutshell for me. God Forbid those of you who bitched about Zenster publicly on this board _tell_ him how you feel about him. I’d think that if your sentiments were important enough to tell, you’d tell _him_ first, and in private. Because that would show a certain amount of guts, decency, and good taste. But, I guess with some of you, it seemed better to go the gutless and tacky route, and air your feelings on a public message board. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/140 "2003-05-19T11:59:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kyla \* > I am curious to know why my comment is so much more egregious than **obfusciatrist** ’s. > > Anyway, yes, there is reason to say this. Actually, I think “fuckwit” is too strong a word; **Zenster** is not a bad person, and I know he means well. He’s also loud, boorish, monopolizes every conversation and social situation, and a braggart. (I’ve eaten some of his food. It is indeed quite tasty, but after being told that you’re going to be sampling the Best Food Ever for the previous half hour, it’s quite anticlimactic to be served a fairly standard meal.) > > I realize that my opinion is based primarily on real life interaction and my experiences may color my readings of his posts. Your mileage may vary. All these years, and she still remembers! Just last Friday I heard some one say that the _burrito_ I made for them was “the best they had ever had in their entire life.” Here’s text from an email sent by a very influential person who guides one of the largest burning man camps. * * * Chris, those burritos were not only amazingly tasty but they really created a cool bond with everyone… THANK YOU!!! * * * Congratulations on having a palate sufficiently refined to see through my guise of merely reworking cheap TV Dinners. There also might be nearly one thousand concert attendees from last July to tell you otherwise. They could tell how the food I served there broke every record in their **five year** history for: 1. **ON TIME SERVICE:** Dinner set for 6:00PM, served at 6:05PM. 1. **MAIN COURSE QUANTITY** The Mexican tri-tip did not run out, unlike the meat dish at every previous festival. 1. **OVERALL FOOD QUANTITY** More than 1,000 meals were served that night. No returning diner was denied second or third helpings. 1. **SPEED OF SERVICE:** Almost 700 diners were fed in 45 minutes. And last but not least: 1. **QUALITY OF FOOD** Agreed by all to be the best tasting food ever served there. Even the camp owners who eat at many of the events said it was the best camp cooking they’d ever had while operating the place. Time of preparation? Five hours, which represents a cooking time of nearly _twenty seconds per_ plate. I was given a twelve-person crew of complete strangers who had absolutely fabulous attitudes. We each and every one of us had a total blast. At the event, I made a lasting friend who is a good cook and really great to know. But let’s not digress. Back to the old mail bag: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Snooooopy \* > It’s his tendency to relentlessly try to monopolize the conversation at any gathering he is at that makes him, er, an acquired taste. What’s worse, he assumes that you’re loving every second of his nonstop stream of jokes, comments, stories and lectures and wish him to continue at top speed UNLESS you make a specific point of telling him to shut his yap (which many people are too polite to do, although I am not). And I think that shaved head is cooling your brain so much it makes you ill tempered. Why, you didn’t even laugh when I joked of your suffering from “premature Kojaculation.” You rose to my defense once upon a time but apparently have taken a more vindictive turn of late. You seem equally willing to snipe at me as drink that beer I bought you last time. I’ll try and remember that. You seemed to think that Christmas dinner at my house was pretty tasty at the time but maybe you’ve forgotten after all these years. Yeah, my very young and untrained wolf-hybrid kept nosing your crotch. Big shock, it’s what dogs do for a living. I’ll mention it here first to save you some precious time, just like I did when I helped you with your flat tire and got you a great deal on the replacement. I know, I know, it’s always; ‘What have you done for me _lately_?’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669.md?page=8)