# I'm sorry, but Zenster is a fuckwit. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2003, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669 "2003-05-16T13:20:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/161 "2003-05-19T20:46:39Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m glad that a new crop of dopers got a peek under the hind leg of your twisted braincap. A twisted braincap on legs? I see a network cartoon here. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/162 "2003-05-19T21:53:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kyla \* > If it’s so worthless, don’t bother accepting it. Honestly, I meant what I said. What I regret is that I posted it in so public a forum. It was wholly inappropriate. Since it seems like you mean it, I’ll make another effort. You, not I, chose to let the hate genie out of its bottle. In a long-ago thread, you brought up a splendid Hebrew term that I wish you’d share here again. The term referred to “repairing the world.” It’s something I try to do every day of my life, here at the boards and actively as well. If you wish for your apology to mean anything to me, please reflect long and hard on how your comments about me reconcile with what you know of “repairing the world.” I still have some difficulty in comprehending why you waited the better part of **three years** to finally make any mention to me of your mean-spirited drivel. Have you now noticed just how difficult it is to stuff all those icky nasty worms back into that itty-bitty little can? That’s what I’m having a problem with. **Rilchiam** , I’m glad to see someone else here has mastered that complex modern appurtenance known as the “scroll button.” **jarbabyj** , my entire reply was a lot more necessary than your snarky little drive-bys. Ditto, **Francesca**. We’ll wait until your tit’s in the wringer to see how you squeal. **BNB** , I’m glad that somebody here understands why I felt a full rebuttal was in order. **Spiritus Mundi** , you are another of my all-time favorite posters. The only possible way I could _ever_ accept a whisky (my favorite sippin’ stuff) from you is if you let me buy the very next round. I truly appreciate you taking the time to fully assay such phenomenal venom as found in this thread. That you had the patience to wade through this entire tripe volcano bespeaks an admirable degree of intestinal fortitude upon your own part. * * * SPECIAL NOTE TO **VOGUEVIXEN**. You are hereby on notice to provide some sort of suitable answer for your cowardly, evil and baseless accusation of stalking. Please refer to the option list located in the body of my comprehensive reply. If you do not post in this thread soon, I will attempt to have a moderator contact you and bring this to your attention. * * * ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/163 "2003-05-19T21:58:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > \*\*D. Count me as one of the ones suggesting that you mischaracterized my words/position. \*\* I stand corrected. But I don’t think it materially changes any of my points (other than on the one where I listed who had mentioned his real life personality prior to me). ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/164 "2003-05-19T22:17:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by obfusciatrist \* > \*\*I stand corrected. But I don’t think it materially changes any of my points (other than on the one where I listed who had mentioned his real life personality prior to me). \*\* since you used that (“Others posted about things they knew of him IRL”) as partial justification for your attack, I would hope you’d be able to see why I don’t agree, and was not happy about being used in that manner, especially since you were incorrect. and since it’s taken several pages for you to even acknowledge your error (with a ‘I stand corrected’), after others had pointed it out before etc, hopefully you’ll also understand when I remain unimpressed. frankly ‘oops, sorry’ would have been quite a bit better. wasn’t there a thread on non-apologies recently? ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/165 "2003-05-19T23:18:29Z")
Wow, wow. After reading some of that if I were **Zenster** I’d feel like I was punched in the gut…hell, I feel that way anyway for him. And at the risk of being accused of **jarbabyj** baiting > [@](#): > > _by jarbabyj_jesus christ that was unnecessary. judging from the way you act when you feel like you’re attacked I’m really surprised by this, you appear to be quite a bitter and hypocritcal person if you can’t see why \*\* Zenster felt the need to do that. ---
**Author:** ![Tony\_Barber\_s\_Underwear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/58f4c7/32.png) [@Tony\_Barber\_s\_Underwear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tony_Barber_s_Underwear)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2003, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/166 "2003-05-19T23:29:45Z")
I feel really bad about this thread. I had actually forgotten that I had written it on Friday night. It’s no excuse, but I was a bit pissed when I got home. I do apologise to **Zenster** for my nasty comments, and for starting this thread. I think it was pretty uncalled for, and doesn’t reflect well on me. While you may have a tendency to be stubborn, and firm in your beliefs, this doesn’t make you a fuckwit. If **Zenster** doesn’t mind, I’d like to request that it be closed. Cheers. - Bubba. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/167 "2003-05-20T01:32:33Z")
wring, I wasn’t trying to apologize, so I would hardly call it a non-apology. I was just accepting what you said at face value since it matters very little. Even though I would still say you mentioned what you think Zenster is like in real life, it may be based solely on guesses, but it was still about what he, as a person, is like and is doing. But it doesn’t really matter. So I wasn’t going to contest it. But I certainly wasn’t apologizing. And I have yet to attack Zenster in this thread. Others have, I haven’t. All I’ve said is that I don’t like him, if that is an attack, then it is a sadly over-sensitized world in which you live. I fully accept that he may be the greatest guy in the world, and that I am a lone troglodyte for not seeing it. I still don’t like him. I’ve not tried to justify it. I’ve not attempted to give reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/168 "2003-05-20T03:01:25Z")
**Zenster** , it’s a deal. I suggest we start with a Bunnahabhain or a Glen Morangie. First one to order a blend hangs his head in shame. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/169 "2003-05-20T03:02:35Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Zenster \* \*\*The point being made is about what sort of person I am. At first the thread concerned my presence at this board but others have seen fit to take it well beyond that. This is going to be a long post, so please buckle up for the ride. Because of the kindness shown by so many fellow board members, I most definitely will respond to this particular Pit thread. I am so late in posting because I’ve spent the entire weekend helping with a fundraiser for one of the largest Burning Man encampments. I cannot express in words how wonderful it was to be around these people. All of them are utterly transparent and open with everyone else. There are no mind games and ill feelings, fights or violence are not even an applicable concept. Saturday night’s party was a huge success and I’m waiting to see how much money we raised for the Burning Man installation. Yeah, the music was Techno (not my favorite) but I would just about listen to Rap (not really) in order to be around people like them. I’ll give you an idea of what sort of folks these are. Somewhere around six o’clock in the morning, someone borrowed my gold Cross pen for the umpteenth time and I was too exhausted to get it back from them. I discovered the loss in the morning and fretted mildly about it on the way back to San Francisco for today’s site cleanup. I was confident that a simple group email would suffice to track it down. As an aside, a few blocks away from the party’s location I saw something that lifted my spirits all day. Forty people were in a business plaza’s courtyard doing some fine and well-synchronized jazz dance. I am unable to explain why it was so intensely beautiful to see all these people joyously performing their art. I could only think of the previous night’s party and all of the excellent artists who were there then. With misplacing my gold pen still nibbling around the edges of my mind, I walked into the party site and PRESTO! there was my pen, laying out on the bar, where I had done a few shifts the night before. This was the caliber of people I spent the entire weekend with. I cannot adequately explain to you the profound joy of being around so few mind games and head-trips. Such garbage mentality was literally non-existent and the harmonious atmosphere was incredibly nourishing, refreshing and uplifting to my spirit and soul. Time for the old mail sack: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Tony Barber’s Underwear_ > It may be an unpopular statement, but Zenster is a fuckwit. > > He is a pompous shitwit who blows off the handle at anyone who disagrees with him. He should really settle down and take things easier. > > The sad thing about this rant is that I think that he is probably a wonderful person to know. He obviously knows his stuff about cooking, he cares for hiis fellow human being, and he has some incisive comments to make about the human condition. > > But, by Christ, he is fucking irritating. He refuses to accept criticism, he rabbits on about his own superiority, and he goes off the handle at the smallest slight. > > He has a lot of posts, and I like most of them, but he is an irritating piece of work. > > Bubba. "… The sad thing about this rant is that I think that he is probably a wonderful person to know. He obviously knows his stuff about cooking, he cares for his fellow human being, and he has some incisive comments to make about the human condition …” I’ll let you speak for your self , TB’s U (Oh by the way, is it Mr. Briefs, Mr. Boxers or is this all a horrible ironic twist because Tony Barber goes commando?) So far, all of this is strictly your opinion and I may not agree with it but I’ll defend to the death your right to mention it. Next! [quote] _Originally posted by mallocks_ got any links that I can see to support your claims? > [@](#): > > Quite a fair and reasonable suggestion. Thank you, mallocks. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by elf6c_ > > Do you have a single cite for this, or are you going for the creepy stalker vibe? > > Getting rather ahead of ourselves, aren’t we elf6c? Rather prescient of you, I’d say. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by El\_Kabong_ > > Say, since you’re so close to the man, being his underwear and all, what’s Tony Barber really like? > > I think I hear a cite rattling down the driveway. One will be here soon. From the looks of things, it seems like Tony’s got his panties in a rather nasty bunch. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by lieu_ > > I’ve never understood publicly calling someone out when simply avoiding them would be so much easier and not add to any general tension here, especially when…Seriously, could you not find a bastard more deserving? Believe me, I can help! > > Neither have I, lieu. That single statement may well be one of the most profound observations in this entire Trainwreck of a Thread™. I guess that now Wildest Bill has been banned, the position for Most Annoying Poster is up for grabs. As per my usual overachieving self, I’m trying to medal in both the IRL and Online events. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Priceguy_ > > First of all, isn’t Zenster a woman? > > > > Second of all, care to link to an example? > > [looks down past the soon to mentioned and now famous underwear] > > Nope, still a guy. > > [/looks down past the soon to mentioned and now famous underwear] > > Second request there Mr. Knickers. > \*\* Thank you for providing a warning of the great epic to come. It has answered a old question of mine. I have often wondered about the old “netiquette” idea that you shouldn’t quote an entire long post, just to add a few words here and there. Well, since we know you are an upstanding guy, I can only assume that quoting and entire thread, means that quoting a long post to just add a few words is kosher. And thus I’ll begin. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/170 "2003-05-20T03:04:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zenster \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by green\_bladder_ > > is this about the butting in line thread? > > Who knows? Let’s just say the safe money is on that one coming up. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by intarweb man_ > > Does the straight dope have an ignore list button? > > This one short post most succinctly summarizes the entire issue at hand. With this ordinary and intelligent question now asked, anything beyond its simple answer is only so much malicious window dressing. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Tony Barber’s Underwear_ > > Here > > > > Here > > > > Here > > > > and > > > > Here > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by green\_bladder_ > > is this about the butting in line thread? > > Top of the list green\_bladder, good call. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by wring_ > > Zensters male. and I agree w/lieu’s assesment and hereby offer a steady supply of names more worthy. > > > > Zenster is a deeply loyal, caring human being (IMHO), which can, of course, lead to deeply held feelings when people he cares about are threatened. > > > > I think sometimes he vents here, so that IRL, he doesnt’ end up acting out poorly. I’ve seen him respond to reasoned appeals, and not unlike damn near 90% of the folks here, respond venomously when they feel attack - IOW, reply to him saying ‘you fuckwit’, he’ll ratchet up a notch, appeal to him reasonably, he’s more likely to see your point. (not always, but who here is innocent on that?) > > Thank you, wring. It’s nice to know that what I hold dear is pretty obvious to others at these boards. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by obfusciatrist_ > > Tony, unless he’s changed over the last couple years, he isn’t that great in person, either. > > Ahhh, dependable as a red-ragged bull. Seems unusually brief for one of his pet topics. Let’s all wait and see how he remedies this glaring defect. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Jabba_ > > Yes. You can add people to it in two ways: > > (i) Click on the ‘profile’ button under one of your posts, click ‘User CP’, then click ‘Edit Ignore List’ and type in the poster’s name. > > (ii) Click ‘profile’ under a post by the offending ( or offensive) poster and click on ’ Add [poster] to your ignore list’. > > > > You should note, however, that it is expressly forbidden under board rules to give any indication of who, if anyone, is on your list. > > Thank you for the complete answer to intarweb man’s question. Seems like something any eight year old can figure out in a minute or less. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by lieu_ > > How does that work? Can you no longer see any of their posts? > > I find the scroll button to work with equal effectiveness. Evidently, others are incapable of deftly operating such an advanced technology. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Homebrew_ > > When you come across one of their posts, instead of their text you see > > > > “This poster is on your ignore list” > > > > There is also a “Click Here” link to view the post in a pop-up window. > > Sounds too complicated, I’ll stick with the scroll button. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by lieu_ > > > > Oh look, apparently it makes it say “This poster is on your ignore list”. > > > > Heh heh… just kidding Homebrew. > > All right, enough of the cracking wise, already! That’s my turf and I’ll brook no interlopers. > > \*\* I disagree with some of the stuff you say in this one. But I have to agree that the scroll method is the best way to ignore somebody. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/171 "2003-05-20T03:05:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zenster \* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by JuanitaTech_ > > How can you pit someone with such impeccable culinary taste? > > Have I told you how wonderful your hair looks done up that way? Thanks for your vote of confidence, JT. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by DrDeth_ > > I like zenster, and his posts, although I wil admit it does seem like sometimes he is posting in an “altered” state. (Hey, zen- come on, you can admit it, is this true?) > > > > I read the butting in line thread, and paid attention to zenster’s posts. Then I re-read the above second rate rant. I admit I am whooshed. > > Why, thank you Doctor. Got any more of those happy pills you like to scatter in your wake? I too, am rather wooshed about what it is that comes across as arrogant in the “Butting In Line Thread” (hereinafter referred to as the "BILT). > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Kyla_ > > Eh, you might change your mind if you ever met him. > > Gosh, Kyla, I haven’t seen or heard from you in years. How nice of you to drop by and share your candid insights with us today. Evidently email or some remark to me in person was out of the question, so I’m glad you had the chance to post it here in this intimate little setting. > > Hey, what’s that over there on the carpet? > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by JuanitaTech_ > > ouch! > > Stick around JT, that’s lightweight stuff. The fun’s just beginning. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by jarbabyj_ > > Plus, I impeccable culinary taste doesn’t require one be an insufferable food snob. > > That’s, Mister Insufferable Food Snob to you, jarbabyj! > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Sylkyn_ > > B…b…but I like Zenster! He doesn’t bother me at all. I missed him dreadfully when he was on hiatus, and welcomed him back in an email when I noticed his return. > > > > Maybe I’m just not seeing the tone of his threads the way other people are seeing it. And maybe it’s because I’m an obnoxious bitch myself IRL and our tones match…I dunno. > > > > I also have learned a great deal about foods/recipes/etc. from him, so in my book, he’s done his part for ignorance battling. Especially my own. > > Thank you, Sylkyn. Your email really touched my heart, as do your kind words here. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Miller_ > > Seems like an okay guy to me. Short tempered, maybe, and obstinate when he gets his back up, but he’s hardly unique in that quality 'round these parts. > > Do you have the nerve to insinuate that I might have something with other members of these boards?!? > > What an outlandish notion! Who’d have thought? > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by JuanitaTech_ > > As an insufferable food snob, I take umbrage at your statement, jar! > > Word, sister. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Arden Ranger_ > > I have never met Zenster, and truthfully I really don’t him very well, but he has taken on hero status in my house. > > > > He knew money was tighter than tight in my house and that my daughter’s 16th birthday was coming up and there was no way I could get her any of the things she asked for, he went out and bought her a CD player, some rather expensive but heavenly chocolate, and sent her some CDs. He also included an ungodly amount of gumballs for my son and some Army men, which were his favorite things at the time. > > > > Nobody asked him to do this, we certainly didn’t expect it, but he did it because he wanted to and because he’s got a good heart. He does stuff like this for people less fortunate than him all the time. > > > > So if he gets his back up on occasion and loses his temper, I can easily overlook it because of the good things I know he does that he rarely if ever talks about. > > Thanks so much, Arden Ranger. Your latitude is well appreciated. Knowing that your daughter had a real birthday after all was the best part of things. You seem to understand my own motivations really well. Others around here may not, so I’ll take the liberty of clarifying things here in case they are unclear. > > Most often, I give or do good things for one simple reason and one alone; > > Because I can. > > People around here love to beat me up over this as being arrogant or self centered. I could care less and view their protests as something akin to resentment that I should think that way. > > Arden Ranger, in your specific case I had another nearly overriding motivation. (Yup, here comes the dreadful, icky “strings attached” part. You just knew it, didn’t you?) Since you have already made note of your financial difficulties during that time, I’ll make mention of something more minor which really shook me up. > > When you told me how your daughter had instructed you to spend her birthday money on Christmas presents for her little brother and all of you, it ripped my heart out. I get all dewy just thinking about it now. When I heard that, it made me resolve to show your daughter that Christmas is a year-round event and a compassionate young lady always deserves a sweet sixteenth birthday. If there was happiness in your home that day, it’s the best reward of all. That you are so kind in rising to my defense here, is priceless. Thanks. > \*\* This is a good one. Things are starting to get exciting. But I would point out a better answer from Kyla on JuanitaTech’s question would have been. “We’ll see when it has happens. Such hypotheticals are for the academics among us.” ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/172 "2003-05-20T03:12:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zenster \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by alice\_in\_wonderland_ > > Humm - based on the actions that Arden Ranger has described I think I have to give my vote to “OK Guy”. > > Your vote of confidence is much appreciated, alice\_in\_wonderland, thank you. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Emperor Penguin_ > > I have to say, in all my interactions with Zenster, which have been regretablly few, on this board, he has always come across as an excellent poster. > > > > Heck he wrote out a massive recipie for domades, complete with footnotes. when I asked. Anyone who would share sucha recipie for such a delicious food is top notch in my book. > > > > Sure, we all have our off days, but really, there are posters on this board who I find much more annoying. Okay, that sounds like I’m damning him with faint praise. What I mean is not that he is less annoying than most, because he’s not. Annoying I mean… He isn’t… What I’m trying to say is… > > > > Oh forget it… I’ve lost myself. > > > > Put it this way, I like Zenster. He rocks. > > You da’ king there, Emperor! Thanks. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Vixenation_ > > Go Zenster! He seems like a perfectly fine man, so I don’t know what the problem is. > > Well, at least one Vixen here thinks so. Thank you. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Waverly_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Originally posted by Kyla_ > > > Eh, you might change your mind if you ever met him. > > > > I have no idea if it is justified or not, but this just struck me as one of the coldest things I’ve ever seen posted in the pit. I don’t know why, but it just struck me. I hope that although it is conspicuously absent from the post, there is reason to say this. > > Just wait, it only gets better. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Miller_ > > On the basis of Arden Ranger’s testimony, I’m offically upgrading my rating of “okay guy” to “really cool dude.” > > Wow, a free upgrade. What a great day! Thanks, Miller. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by DocCathode_ > > In a recent thread, I posted that I had to drop out of college 8 years ago and was still unable to go back. > > > > Zenster sent me an e-mail offering emotional support, money for text books and other things. He made no mention of loan, or expecting to be paid back. Again, he did this in a private way. None of you would ever have heard of it if I hadn’t posted this. > > > > If there’s a reason to Pit him,I haven’t seen it. > > Thanks, Doc. My offer still stands. Just let me know if you change your mind. I wish you the best. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Sylkyn_ > > After reading all this, if I liked him before…I simply adore him now. > > > > Zenster, baby…take a bow. > > I’m honored. > > [bows] > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Ukulele Ike_ > > I agree with the OP. He’s a dreadful fuckwit. > > > > I cook a lot too. And I play the saxophone. And while I skip over 99% of his posts, the 1% that I hit make me want to quit both, take up knitting and playing the harpsichord. > > > > On the positive side, he lives on the other end of the continent. > > Ehhh, quit yer knittin’, Ike. I only pretend to have a miniscule portion of your literary wit. Matter of fact, got lots of kudos on my saxamaphone playing at the party last night. I like knowing that we have this noble instrument in common. > \*\* The humor you’re exhibiting is well targeted for the _Reader’s Digest_ audience. I suggest you submit something for their “Laughter’s the Best Medicine” column. However, I can’t help but notice that you react in a strong negative way to everybody in this thread who said something negative about you. Except for the moderator. I guess the urge to kiss his ass was just too strong to overcome. ---
**Author:** ![alohaaloha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@alohaaloha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alohaaloha)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/173 "2003-05-20T03:15:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tony Barber’s Underwear \* > \*\*I feel really bad about this thread. I had actually forgotten that I had written it on Friday night. It’s no excuse, but I was a bit pissed when I got home. > > I do apologise to **Zenster** for my nasty comments, and for starting this thread. I think it was pretty uncalled for, and doesn’t reflect well on me. While you may have a tendency to be stubborn, and firm in your beliefs, this doesn’t make you a fuckwit. > > If **Zenster** doesn’t mind, I’d like to request that it be closed. > > Cheers. > > - Bubba. \*\* Bubba: On behalf of my friend, Zenster, I want to tell you what a GIANT human being you are for posting your apology. However, as a HUMAN BEING, you/we need to learn a valuable lesson: Never send e-mail that you write when you are pissed off or angry. (When I am angry, I write it in draft and wait 24 hours…then I usually have sobered up enough to not send it!!) You have been responsible for some of the most vile things I have ever seen in writing–anywhere. But then again, you have been responsible for some of the kindest things said about someone one does not know IRL. Let this be a lesson to all of us: One of us–you-- may be next. Zenster, let him close the thread and go about your wonderful life. Please? Mahalo Nui Loa to all. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/174 "2003-05-20T03:17:52Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Zenster_ > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by voguevixen_ > > On the basis of Arden Ranger’s testimony, I’m offically upgrading my rating of “insufferable blowhard” to “creepy stalker freak.” > > And this is where you cross the line, voguevixen. It is a serious accusation for you to charge someone with stalking, be it in cyberspace or in real life. > > I now give you three options: > > 1. Post an immediate retraction and apology in this thread or at these boards. > > 2. Absent that, post any and all emails or chat logs showing every contact that I ever had with you almost three years ago. Demonstrate with such evidence how you are entitled to maintain the position that I have ever in any way stalked you in cyber form or in real life. > > 3. Be reported to the moderators for your slander. > > You have gone beyond the pale with your false accusation and I find your particularly jerkish behavior absolutely disgusting. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Dr\_Paprika_ > > Zenster’s always seemed like a pleasant fellow to me. Not particularly short tempered. Clearly munificent and helpful. Most good cooks are a little obsessive about food, and Zenster wouldn’t seem to be much worse for his enthusiasms. I really don’t care if he watches television or not. His cigar box collection sounds kind of cool. There are real fuckwits on this board more worthy of a pitting, and quite a lame pitting at that. > > Woo Hoo! Three out of five Doctors agree! Thank you for your pleasant and rather spot-on assessment, Doc. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Arden Ranger_ > > > > I fail to see how Zenster pretty much saving my kid’s very important birthday and renewing my faith that there are people out there that give a damn about anyone outside their own little sphere is even remotely creepy. > > A very good question and one that we might get an answer to if voguevixen has any ovaries at all. Stay tuned. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by masonite_ > > I have no dog in this fight, but I’d rate personal interaction (as attested to by Arden Ranger and Doc Cathode) higher than board personality, in evaluating a person. What you post on a messageboard is one thing. What you do in “real life” is another, and, I think, more significant. > > > > Of course, without the personal testimony, all most people have to go on here is the postings. > > Thanks, I agree with you even if others don’t. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Binarydrone_ > > I am just about 100% sure that this refers to the OP and not to you. > > This could use some clarification. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Demo_ > > Zenster is the guy that was bitching because someone gave him a free venue to play his music and then he bitched about them not giving him free food too, right? > > > > I say he’s an alright guy though. You all just need to ride a dappled pony. > > Do people actually read the posts in a thread anymore. Please come back and post once you have actually taken the time to do so, Demo. > > > [@](#): > > > > If someone (especially a store employee on their break) has only one or two items, I cheerfully let them cut in front of me (and frequently have to insist upon it). I also encourage others in front of me to pass a store employee on their break directly to the front of the line. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by fessie_ > > Oh, yeah, a real pimple on humanity’s ass . > > > > So he gets aggravated - give the guy a break! From what I read, he makes a lot of effort to do things right. People like that expect some reciprocation. > > > > Zenster wrote a terrific post on a thread I started - I really appreciated his support and enjoyed reading about his adventures, he had a lot of interesting things to day. > > > > Besides, I may be a newbie, but I thought the point of coming here was to express oneself with some emphasis - what’s the point of being milquetoast? > > fessie, your compassion puts you well past the “newbie” category compared to some more tenured posters at these boards. I’ll gladly contribute to your threads whenever possible. > \*\* The quality of this one slipped a bit. Mostly more tongue lashings. But I am surprised that you wasted your demand of an apology from voguevixen by demanding an apology for something she quite clearly did not do. At no point did she accuse you of stalking her. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/175 "2003-05-20T03:24:00Z")
**TBU** , you have nothing to apologize for. You didn’t like my style and said so. I’m a big boy now and can handle that sort of stuff. There are people here who have a permanent ax to grind. I can’t help that and neither can you. Some people really have to work at being an asshole, others are naturals at it. I’m glad to see that your being pissed as a newt is no excuse. I’ll never rely on that cop-out either. May we meet in better places, **TBU**. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/176 "2003-05-20T03:24:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Zenster_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Scylla_ > > On the other hand, I remember these: > > > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ghlight=Zenster](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ghlight=Zenster) > > > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ghlight=Zenster](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ghlight=Zenster) > > > > But most especially this one: > > > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ghlight=Zenster](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ghlight=Zenster) > > I haven’t run into him since his return, other than to note that he came back, so I really can’t say from experience if he’s gone nuts and become a jerk or anything. > > > > I will say that on this board as in life, it is hard to escape and become something other than what people think you are. > > > > If y’all say he’s flaked out, I’ll take your word for it. > > Thanks for the links, Scylla. We don’t always see eye to eye but I’d like to think that we share similar values. Please drop by the cooking thread sometime. We want your legendary fajitas recipe. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Ruby_ > > Zenster, while I by no means have read every one of your posts, you are A-Number-One with me. When your Zen (wolfhound, for those of you that don’t know) was going through a rough spot, you posted on this board. You (and you alone) took the time to individually thank the people by e-mail that wished you well. > > > > You’re a good man, Zenster. > > Thank you for remembering, Ruby. That was a real rough patch for me and the support I received here was very helpful. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by kiffa_ > > Ditto…You are a good man Zenster. I like you alot. > > Thanks, gal. I hope your sis is safe and well. Both of you are missed over in the new recipe thread. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Anthracite_ > > Zenster’s just emotional, like all us Greeks. > > > > Seriously, I’ve always had good experiences with him when there’s been a misunderstanding, just reasoning with him via personal communications. If he’s in error, he always graciously admits it and profusely apologizes. If you are in error, he doesn’t rub it in your face. > > > > A couple people don’t like him IRL. Eh. No one likes me IRL either. And I find it profoundly ironic that some people who are considered to be ever-so-cool at Dopefests are in reality disgusting and evil little criminals, who are nothing more than experts at manipulating people to live off of them and/or use them. Oh well. > > Coming from one of my all time favorite posters, I am near to squirming. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Mr. Cynical_ > > Maybe, if you would make sure that you define who you’re talking about, people would be less weirded out by what you post? > > > > I mean, that could be ANYONE. How do I know you’re not going on and on about Ed Zotti, for instance? > > Get back on topic you SUV driver, you! > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Anthracite_ > > It could be you, Mr. C. When the police gave me a doll, and I showed them what you did to me, they threw _me_ in jail! > > More of these serious allegations. This thread’s a regular scandal sheet! > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by bdgr_ > > You’ll have to ask him to speak up a bit. Always talking through a pair of trousers muffles him somewhat. > > > > I’ll have all of you know that bdgr posted this despite me not finishing his new resumé some weeks ago, like I told him I would. > > This one is two short, it ending feels truncated, but I can only hope you were taking a breath before a real barnstormer in the next one. > > I do find it sad, though, that Anthracite feels that nobody likes her in real life. Why, even a socail boil like me has blackmailed a few friends into existence. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/177 "2003-05-20T03:30:37Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Zenster_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Kyla_ > > I am curious to know why my comment is so much more egregious than obfusciatrist’s. > > > > Anyway, yes, there is reason to say this. Actually, I think “fuckwit” is too strong a word; Zenster is not a bad person, and I know he means well. He’s also loud, boorish, monopolizes every conversation and social situation, and a braggart. (I’ve eaten some of his food. It is indeed quite tasty, but after being told that you’re going to be sampling the Best Food Ever for the previous half hour, it’s quite anticlimactic to be served a fairly standard meal.) > > > > I realize that my opinion is based primarily on real life interaction and my experiences may color my readings of his posts. Your mileage may vary. > > All these years, and she still remembers! > > Just last Friday I heard some one say that the burrito I made for them was “the best they had ever had in their entire life.” Here’s text from an email sent by a very influential person who guides one of the largest burning man camps. > > * * * > > Chris, those burritos were not only amazingly tasty but they really created a cool bond with everyone… > > THANK YOU!!! > > * * * > > Congratulations on having a palate sufficiently refined to see through my guise of merely reworking cheap TV Dinners. There also might be nearly one thousand concert attendees from last July to tell you otherwise. They could tell how the food I served there broke every record in their five year history for: > > 1. ON TIME SERVICE: > > Dinner set for 6:00PM, served at 6:05PM. > > 1. MAIN COURSE QUANTITY > > The Mexican tri-tip did not run out, unlike the meat dish at every previous festival. > > 1. OVERALL FOOD QUANTITY > > More than 1,000 meals were served that night. No returning diner was denied second or third helpings. > > 1. SPEED OF SERVICE: > > Almost 700 diners were fed in 45 minutes. > And last but not least: > > 1. QUALITY OF FOOD > > Agreed by all to be the best tasting food ever served there. Even the camp owners who eat at many of the events said it was the best camp cooking they’d ever had while operating the place. > > Time of preparation? Five hours, which represents a cooking time of nearly twenty seconds per plate. I was given a twelve-person crew of complete strangers who had absolutely fabulous attitudes. We each and every one of us had a total blast. At the event, I made a lasting friend who is a good cook and really great to know. > > But let’s not digress. > Back to the old mail bag: > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Snooooopy_ > > It’s his tendency to relentlessly try to monopolize the conversation at any gathering he is at that makes him, er, an acquired taste. What’s worse, he assumes that you’re loving every second of his nonstop stream of jokes, comments, stories and lectures and wish him to continue at top speed UNLESS you make a specific point of telling him to shut his yap (which many people are too polite to do, although I am not). > > And I think that shaved head is cooling your brain so much it makes you ill tempered. Why, you didn’t even laugh when I joked of your suffering from “premature Kojaculation.” > > You rose to my defense once upon a time but apparently have taken a more vindictive turn of late. You seem equally willing to snipe at me as drink that beer I bought you last time. I’ll try and remember that. You seemed to think that Christmas dinner at my house was pretty tasty at the time but maybe you’ve forgotten after all these years. Yeah, my very young and untrained wolf- hybrid kept nosing your crotch. Big shock, it’s what dogs do for a living. I’ll mention it here first to save you some precious time, just like I did when I helped you with your flat tire and got you a great deal on the replacement. I know, I know, it’s always; ‘What have you done for me lately?’ Your reply to Kyla is pretty amazing. You may be a great guy, but nobody is quicker to praise you, than yourself. And yet it is a shock that some find this insufferable. “Premature Kojakulation” is funny. If it is 1978. But let me try it myself. Who loves ya, baby? Not me, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/178 "2003-05-20T03:32:09Z")
**TBU** , you have nothing to apologize for. You didn’t like my style and said so. I’m a big boy now and can handle that sort of stuff. There are people here who have a permanent ax to grind. I can’t help that and neither can you. Some people really have to work at being an asshole, others are naturals at it. I’m glad to see that your being pissed as a newt is no excuse. I’ll never rely on that cop-out either. May we meet in better places, **TBU**. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/179 "2003-05-20T03:41:19Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Zenster_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by shrew_ > > My one and only experience with him was on a recent thread discussing cutting in line. He was boorish, accusatory, and rude. Even when several people called him on it, he refused to acknowledge he had overreacted. > > > > That said, I’m not sure that’s enough to call him a fuckwit. Rude perhaps, but I’ll reserve my judgment on fuckwit. I don’t happen to like him at the moment, but eh, I see no reason for him to care about that. > > You are quite right about caring, now please cite some sample quotes from the BILT to back up your accusations. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Dead Badger_ > > I think you’re confusing vixenation and voguevixen; this threw me for a second as well. > > > > Regardless, it frankly boggles my mind that some people on this thread are willing to see offers of no-strings-attached help to people Zenster has never met as creepy or stalkerish just because it suits them, or fits some words that they’ve read on what’s a remarkably combative forum. What’s wrong with you people? Isn’t it possible to dislike someone socially, yet acknowledge that they do some incredibly nice things? > > I’d still like to see any possible confusion about this cleared up. As to your question, it seems as though some seek to fight ignorance with small minds. Go figure. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Waverly_ > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > _Originally posted by Kyla_ > > > I am curious to know why my comment is so much more egregious than obfusciatrist’s. > > > > I don’t know if it necessarily is, but how does someone else’s venomous comment affect yours? As I said, your post was the one that struck me, and I’ve already hinted that I wasn’t going to spend a great deal of time pondering the subtle reasons for it. > > > > You weren’t commenting on his board behavior, but his vary personality, and had not explained your reasons. > > Thanks for noticing this, Waverly. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Tuckerfan_ > > Zenster’s been helpful to me in the past, and had no reason to do it other than he just seems to enjoy doing it. I’m certain that he’s got his faults, but I’ve not seen him do anything on the boards that I’d say had gone above the pale of what many others here have done. > > Fear not, Tuck, some types always feel obliged to treat me special. This ain’t the first time. Thank you for checking in. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Jack Batty_ > > I don’t know how much I feel like chipping in to a pile-on, so I’m really going to try to be fair in my comments. > > > > Kyla is right. Zenster has a heart of gold, but is sometimes very hard to deal with. Now he did me a true solid. He took care of my dog for me for two months while I was living on a couch (another doper helped me out there: zyzzyva) after my wife dumped me. > > > > But he did kind of hold my feet to the fire over it a little bit. I tried to get down to San Jose to visit as often as I could. This entailed borrowing my soon-to-be ex-wife’s car and driving an hour and a half to get there. Invariably I was roped into driving him all over hell and gone and lugging shit around his shop. This was all fine with me. I wasn’t expecting to be put to work, but I was hardly in a position to complain. Tit for tat. It seemed like fair trade to me. > > > > I really don’t want to make an enemy out of Zenster, but I can’t say that I haven’t been annoyed by him far more than I’ve been amused by him. It’s my own shortcomings that I only ever stood there with a sappy smile on my face and didn’t speak my mind at the time. > > > > We all have our faults. > > Make a comedy music video that is still funny and pertinent over twenty years later and then I’ll talk with you about Nesmith. > > Yes, it was great that you helped me that one day at the shop. Yes, I did want you to visit your animal regularly so that it wouldn’t get too neurotic about being abandoned. One of these days I’ll even get around to patching the claw marks she dug into my back door. I searched for but could not find the thread where you were whinging about the world’s state of affairs. I gently chided you without specifying you by name and you got extremely hostile with me. > > Try to remember the only thing I ever directly asked you to do in repayment for months of boarding your pet. I requested that you please help me move things down into the basement for my then upcoming remodel. That was all I ever asked of you, nothing else. Once you picked up your animal, I basically never heard from you again. > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by fessie_ > > I was thinking about going to a Doper gathering and meeting some people face-to-face but now I’m really glad I didn’t - otherwise next time someone found me annoying or _gasp_ disagreed w/something I said, they’d have tons of material to work with. And post publicly for 35,000 people to read. Whoo-hooo, character assassination, isn’t this fun. > > > > Somehow instead of being a better conversation than IRL, as I thought threads were supposed to be, it’s twice as bad. > > Since well behaved women rarely make history, you sound like someone who would be fun to know. Hell, I don’t even listen to music and know you’re wrong about Nesmith. _He’s a Monkee!!_ ---
**Author:** ![Berkut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@Berkut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Berkut)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2003, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-but-zenster-is-a-fuckwit/175669/180 "2003-05-20T03:46:46Z")
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