# I'm Sorry, Diogenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749 "2008-09-29T18:37:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/21 "2008-09-29T20:03:03Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > So I gather this means that Favre threw the ball to another player who then carried it over the line to score the point, so they are both credited with the score. No? Or, the other player ran over the line, and _then_ Favre threw him the ball. Either way, the receiver gets credit for a touchdown reception and six points scored. Favre gets credit for throwing a touchdown pass. In chess terms, imagine if your pieces were a team, and you were tabulating how many times each piece executed a discovered check. One piece moves out of the way and another gives check. So every time you as a team gave dc, one of your pieces would be credited with “giving a dc” and a different piece would be credited with “uncovering a dc”. ---
**Author:** ![Tastes\_of\_Chocolate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tastes_of_chocolate/32/3232_2.png) [@Tastes\_of\_Chocolate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tastes_of_Chocolate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/22 "2008-09-29T20:18:44Z")
**storyteller0910** , that was fabulous. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/23 "2008-09-29T20:29:25Z")
To put it in terms accessible to football geeks, Dopers and chess team nerds: Favre should have employed the Cecilian Defense. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/24 "2008-09-29T20:34:31Z")
**storyteller** nailed the answer more perfectly than any answer has ever been nailed. However, for the TLDR types, I’ll give my (shorter) answer: Brett Favre is the George W. Bush of quarterbacks. GWB is the millionaire Harvard and Yale-educated _son of a President_ and former head of the CIA who spent virtually his entire career in Washington, yet managed to attain the Presidency passing himself off as a Washington outsider and downhome woodsy good 'ol boy. Favre is a millionaire a hundred times over with a supermodelish wife, and a total prima donna who has hijacked the Packers’ (I hate the Pack, FTR) offseasons and training camps for half a decade- solely to get himself a few more column inches in _Sports Illustrated_ and an extra mention on the Milwaukee network affiliate nightly newscasts- but who passes himself off as a downhome “aw shucks” woodsy good ol’ boy. They are, in short, the antithesis of the thinking-man’s President/QB (Gerald Ford and Peyton Manning, in case you’re wondering): they both bring out the stupid in people. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/25 "2008-09-29T20:53:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Brett Favre is the George W. Bush of quarterbacks. I guess we’re not allowed to have a thread around here that doesn’t have political snark in it anymore. Good on you for bringing us up to code, **RNATB**. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/26 "2008-09-29T21:06:40Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > I guess we’re not allowed to have a thread around here that doesn’t have political snark in it anymore. Good on you for bringing us up to code, **RNATB**. :rolleyes: If you read the rest of my post, you’ll note that the comparison centers on how brilliant GWB’s campaign strategy was, not on his character/skills/intellect/whatever. I suppose you could say I’m snarking about the electorate, but honestly, you’re kind of missing the point. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/27 "2008-09-29T21:08:38Z")
Storyteller you forgot the part where he has the record for the most money ever stolen in a career from a bank, using the plan of loading up a truck with gold bars and throwing it through the vault door, then taking the money. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/28 "2008-09-29T21:56:38Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Storyteller you forgot the part where he has the record for the most money ever stolen in a career from a bank, using the plan of loading up a truck with gold bars and throwing it through the vault door, then taking the money. SNORF. Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Iggins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Iggins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggins)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/29 "2008-09-29T22:05:10Z")
The team with the Farvester lost in my fantasy league. Ran into a guy with Brees, Gore, Greg Jennings, and Mushin Muhammad. For what that’s worth to the anti-Favre faction… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/30 "2008-09-29T22:16:33Z")
For the record, I’ve never really hated Favre himself, just the ridiculous adulation and knob polishing from the sports media. The only thing that amazes me about Favre tossing 6 TD’s yesterday is that he never did it against the Vikings. We’ve had some of the most porous, spacious defensive secondaries in NFL history. How did that never happen to us? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/31 "2008-09-29T22:20:58Z")
storyteller0910 wins this thread, hands down. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/32 "2008-09-29T22:25:22Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > …We’ve had some of the most porous, spacious defensive secondaries in NFL history. How did that never happen to us? Pity? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/33 "2008-09-29T22:37:59Z")
storyteller, I know nothing about sports, but for that story you are my hero. +10 Internets! ---
**Author:** ![Rapier42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90db22/32.png) [@Rapier42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rapier42)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/34 "2008-09-29T22:48:27Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I’ll take a shot at this one. _applause_ Encore, encore! ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/35 "2008-09-29T23:04:00Z")
**storyteller** left out the part where Doctor Interception cries every time something doesn’t go his way. Besides that, it’s perfect. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/36 "2008-09-29T23:07:31Z")
Since there has been a request, let me put this in chess terms. You, a man in your early 80s, decide to play Gary Kasparov, and spot the young’un a rook. (That’s the one that looks like the castle tower.) You then proceed to advance six of your pawns to the eighth rank and avoid the embarrassment of stalemating Kasparov. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/37 "2008-09-29T23:54:05Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Sorry, I DID misunderstand your question. You can ignore me now. You answer was useful. I am just that ignrant about football. ---
**Author:** ![Risha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/38 "2008-09-29T23:58:00Z")
Did that contest for best SDMB post of the year ever get off the ground? Because I think that **storyteller0910** has a solid shot at the title. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/39 "2008-09-30T00:37:59Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > You answer was useful. I am just that ignrant about football. Oh, good…glad I could help. I wasn’t sure if you were asking how a touchdown is scored, what the term “threw for a touchdown” refers to, or how you score it in fantasy football. I THOUGHT it was the first, but then I wasn’t sure. I think where you are getting confused is that there is a rule that once the ball crosses the line of scrimmage, you can’t execute a forward pass…at that point, you can only run with it (or passing it backwards, I think, is OK, too). ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2009, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749/40 "2009-01-02T01:31:46Z")
**storyteller0910** , your post just got linked to in the [The SDMB 2008 Awesome-est Post of the Year](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=476578) thread and I had to say, “Awesome Post! Wow.” I know this thread is just over the border of Zombiehood for the pit but I also noticed it is barely a pit thread and there were no hostilities between posters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-sorry-diogenes/465749.md?page=3)