# I'm starting the White Bloc--who's with me? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 28, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743 "2010-06-28T03:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/61 "2010-06-30T01:33:39Z")
Attack: 1. Is Elucidator really a “she” or are you whooshing me? 2. How do those two posts display “privilege”? Like I said, I think they display that I work hard. Giraffe: Can you explain how the quoted portion of a post is trolling? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/62 "2010-06-30T01:39:24Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Luci–how do I represent privilege, exactly? I’m just a working stiff. I think I represent those who actually try every day to make the world a better place instead of those who get government handouts during the week and march to tear down the government on the weekends (ie, the Black Bloc idiots). Hey, its great if you work for the working stiffs so to speak. But, IMO, you really can’t wrap yourself in working stiff flag if you charge these working stiffs an arm and a leg hour wise and make a damn good living doing it. Good for you, but you aint one of em there Rand. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/63 "2010-06-30T01:51:59Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Hey, its great if you work for the working stiffs so to speak. But, IMO, you really can’t wrap yourself in working stiff flag if you charge these working stiffs an arm and a leg hour wise and make a damn good living doing it. > > Good for you, but you aint one of em there Rand. Ah, I have sown the seeds of confusion, I see. When I said “represent,” I meant more “I am one of that group” instead of “my clients are.” You seem to have taken it the other way. But I think that way is correct as well–my clients are trying to make investments that will create value and jobs. Also, I don’t charge “an arm and a leg.” They pay it, so it’s obviously not too much. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/64 "2010-06-30T02:04:01Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Can you explain how the quoted portion of a post is trolling? Thanks! I don’t think it descends to trolling, but it definitely displays ignorance of the real world. Making the world better one tax dodge (otherwise known as a government handout) at a time and getting well paid for it can certainly be described as working for a living. It’s a far cry from driving a truck, or cashiering at Safeway, or cleaning the toilets in an office building, or any number of tedious, unfulfilling, nasty, or dangerous occupations that actually do make the world a little better. You’re not a working stiff. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/65 "2010-06-30T02:08:20Z")
Frank, can you explain how I don’t make the world a better place? I provide services to people that allow them to make investments that improve this country’s infrastructure and provide jobs to people. They wouldn’t invest if they didn’t understand the tax consequences of their investments or weren’t able to invest in a tax-efficient manner. So you are right that I’m not like a toilet cleaner–I help provide people create jobs for toilet cleaners instead of just, you know, cleaning toilets. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/66 "2010-06-30T02:37:09Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I provide services to people that allow them to make investments that improve this country’s infrastructure … Your clients invest in roads, water and sewer systems, and electric/gas utilities? Frankly, I don’t know how you’re defining “infrastructure”. Perhaps you have a definition that is just as unique as terming yourself a working stiff. > [@](#): > > I help provide people create jobs for toilet cleaners instead of just, you know, cleaning toilets. I don’t know enough about your day-to-day work to state whether your work actually produces jobs. All I have to go on is your personality on the SDMB, and judging by that you have demonstrated nothing but contempt for the toilet cleaners of the world, and nothing but contempt for those who are concerned about the lives of the toilet cleaners of the world. The fact that you have nothing but contempt for people who are not of your class, and the fact that you have nothing but contempt for the people who are concerned about lives of the people who are not of your class is, again, quite frankly, all I need to know that you are not interested in making the world a better place. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/67 "2010-06-30T02:45:56Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Your clients invest in roads, water and sewer systems, and electric/gas utilities? Yes. And orchards, farms, mines, oil and gas, brownfield sites, office buildings, apartments, hotels, etc. > [@](#): > > All I have to go on is your personality on the SDMB, and judging by that you have demonstrated nothing but contempt for the toilet cleaners of the world, and nothing but contempt for those who are concerned about the lives of the toilet cleaners of the world. You are wrong. I do not have contempt for toilet cleaners. I don’t have contempt for those who are concerned about the lives of toilet cleaners (I actually count myself as one of those people). If you think that, then it is because you have mistinterpreted my posts, plain and simple. > [@](#): > > The fact that you have nothing but contempt for people who are not of your class, and the fact that you have nothing but contempt for the people who are concerned about lives of the people who are not of your class is, again, quite frankly, all I need to know that you are not interested in making the world a better place. Didn’t you just say this up above? Well, you are still wrong. I do have contempt for the looters–those who want to use the government to get stuff for themselves or those they consider part of their group. I also have contempt for politicians who treat poor people as their pets, as people to make handouts to so that they keep pulling the lever for them and their buddies. I also have contempt for people who call me selfish while being a looter or a poverty pimp (or a supporter of same). ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/68 "2010-06-30T02:59:52Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I also have contempt for people who call me selfish while being a looter or a poverty pimp (or a supporter of same). Which appears to be every liberal douche on the SDMB, including, of course, me. There are conservatives (and even libertarians) on the board with whom I could be having a conversation with a completely different tone on the same subjects. You seem to be incapable of comprehending that people who oppose your political stances do so because of valid beliefs. You prefer to demonize us, and call us names, and have contempt for us. Yet you’re aghast that we should return tit-for-tat. Well, whatever turns you on, man. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/69 "2010-06-30T03:05:48Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Can you explain how the quoted portion of a post is trolling? Thanks! Sure can’t! I think you’re a useless fucktard, I think you know exactly what trolling is and spend a large fraction of your posts failing at it, and I’d much rather spend my posting time laughing at your impotence than engaging you in discussion. Hope that helps! ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/70 "2010-06-30T03:06:21Z")
I don’t really get your last post. Do you understand why I don’t have contempt for toilet cleaners or not? I absolutely don’t agree that everyone that has different political beliefs than me have “valid beliefs.” And you don’t believe that either, or you wouldn’t be on my ass–after all, don’t I have “valid beliefs”? Also, you may want to acquaint yourself with how the pit works. I think people interact with me in the Pit and then interact with other conservatives in GD or elsewhere and then get on my ass for having a “tone.” We’re in the Pit. Of course I have a tone. This is the place to bring the tone. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/71 "2010-06-30T03:07:53Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Sure can’t! I think you’re a useless fucktard, I think you know exactly what trolling is and spend a large fraction of your posts failing at it, and I’d much rather spend my posting time laughing at your impotence than engaging you in discussion. > > Hope that helps! Sure does. Shows you are one of the countless morons who just throw accusations and assertions but are unable to actually make an argument to back it up. Keep losing over at your fake-ass knock-off messageboard for jerks. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/72 "2010-06-30T03:14:16Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Sure does. Shows you are one of the countless morons who just throw accusations and assertions but are unable to actually make an argument to back it up. Keep losing over at your fake-ass knock-off messageboard for jerks. I will! Thank you for your support! ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/73 "2010-06-30T03:20:13Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Sure does. Shows you are one of the countless morons who just throw accusations and assertions but are unable to actually make an argument to back it up. Keep losing over at your fake-ass knock-off messageboard for jerks. Yeah, you countless morons! You’re all against him. Rand Rover is trying to hard to help you people, by saving rich dudes money! Why do you hate him, you damn libtards!!? Also, this seems like a good place for [this picture I drew](http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1033/mightyl.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/74 "2010-06-30T03:20:18Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Also, you may want to acquaint yourself with how the pit works. I’m sorry, I find myself unable to find the home keys on my keyboard while I’m falling on the floor laughing. You fucking historically igorant moron, before I became a mod, the Pit was where I _lived_. You couldn’t have handled the Pit back then; you’d be crying in your beer. Seriously. The people who were biting your ankles would have been trampled into the ground by those who were ripping out your throat. You have no fucking clue, you numbskull. > [@Rand Rover in response to Giraffe](#): > > Shows you are one of the countless morons who just throw accusations and assertions but are unable to actually make an argument to back it up. Also, you may want to acquaint yourself with how the pit works. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/75 "2010-06-30T04:55:20Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > …then get on my ass for having a “tone.” We’re in the Pit. Of course I have a tone. This is the place to bring the tone. **Gonzo** is a theremin, **Der Trihs** is a trumpet. Me, I’m a kazoo. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/76 "2010-06-30T06:02:04Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Also, this seems like a good place for [this picture I drew](http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1033/mightyl.jpg). Well played, m’man. You got some nice skills with a pen. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/77 "2010-06-30T13:58:53Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > If you think that, then it is because you have mistinterpreted my posts, plain and simple. Just a thoughtlet, but when damn near everyone ‘misinterprets’ your posts in the same way, it might have something to do with your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/78 "2010-06-30T14:16:31Z")
I R conflicted. On the one hand, I think that the tiny minority of assholes who turn up to every protest with what appears to be the sole aim of breaking stuff and assaulting the police deserve a good thumping (although sadly the police seem to thump fairly indiscriminately at these things). On the other hand, I’m not joining **Rand** to do the thumping myself - that’s the “dousing a fire with gasoline” approach. Best to snipe at them from the comfort of the Internet. And whoever it was who implied **Rand** was a racist earlier - while he and I disagree on pretty much everything, I don’t recall him playing that particular card (the OP White/Black Bloc implications notwithstanding). ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/79 "2010-06-30T14:56:16Z")
Curiously, I also don’t think he’s trying to be racist - he certainly claims he isn’t. And, having narrowly avoided being in an anarchist action last winter, I can see his perspective. He accused me of calling him a racist when I gave him a hard time about experimental design. So I guess he inferred that I had implied that he was a racist. However, I think he “misinterpreted my posts, plain and simple”. Y’know, I probably thought **elucidator** was female because of the nickname ‘ **Luci** ’. I guess I had **Rand** as **Ricky** in my head: _ **Luci**! Ah’m home!_ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-starting-the-white-bloc-whos-with-me/544743/80 "2010-06-30T15:08:16Z")
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