# I'm tired of arguing. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 16, 2003, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385 "2003-02-16T04:46:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/21 "2003-02-16T14:55:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\*So, are you saying you guys actually disagree on this? > Wow, that ought to make for some spirited dinner table conversation. 🙂 \*\* She and I agree on very little, and anything we do agree on usually requires about three days of on and off debate. It’s how we find our middle ground. And yet, for all that, We treat each other with the utmost respect, and part of our relationship (one of the best parts) is that we ARE so different. So yes, we simply don’t agree on this. Funny, I know. I think what this is about is saying what a lot of people wanted to say. I’m not trying to stifle debate, I’m not trying to make myself seem big, I’m just trying to get a break from the escalating antagonism as a result of this war stuff. I’m going one way or another, and being enraged at people isn’t going to help me one bit when I’m doing my job. Incidentally, I’ve said this before, but if anything, I am responsible for saving lives than anything else. Now, before you jump on this and call it crap, read [this](http://www.spectrumwd.com/c130/articles/193rdsog.htm). I think that, more than anything else, explains why I am so disgusted with the “murderer” rhetoric being hurled at me. It simply isn’t true. And even without that, the inflammatory remarks being hurled are even making **Coldfire** sick. I’ve simply chosen not to participate anymore. Thank you everyone for your support, although in the long term, Robin and Aaron need it more than I do. I hope you think of them in the future, because they’re the ones having to endure a possible long separation without even knowing when it’ll start. She’s a wonderful, loving wife and mother, and she needs all the help she can get coming up here. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/22 "2003-02-16T15:15:06Z")
We’re close enough that we’ll be there if she needs us. Now, go do your job. I like you, Dave, even if you are a Steeler Fan. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/23 "2003-02-16T15:21:56Z")
**Doors** , don’t give up the fight. Too damn many people think that the military’s made up of a bunch of ignorant, drooling baby-killers. You’ve always been a rational, intelligent poster, in contrast to some. The problem is that this is an _emotional_ issue for folks. They don’t _think_ before they open their mouth to spew hatred on those who disagree with them (this occurs on both the pro- and anti-war sides). If people could just leave their emotions out of it, and discuss the issues rationally, then we’d all be better off. I, along with many other Dopers, are glad that you’re not only serving our country, but that you’re here posting as well. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/24 "2003-02-16T17:29:54Z")
Be at peace with your choices and beliefs, **Airman**. Good luck, and godspeed. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/25 "2003-02-16T17:44:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > **And even without that, the inflammatory remarks being hurled are even making Coldfire sick.** Whaddaya mean, “even”? 🙂 It’s somewhat funny that you and your wife disagree about the war, but it must make it harder on her as well to see you go. Good luck to her, and you. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/26 "2003-02-16T17:48:55Z")
Howdy Airman Just wanted to say, while we rarely see eye to eye I ALWAYS respect what you have to say and how you carry yourself. I am a peacenik from way back. In my heart somewhere I know that ultimately the decision to go to war or not, simply must lie with those willing to go. Those not in the fray are certainly entitled to their opinions, but when push comes to shove I gotta believe we must defer to those willing not only to do the job but burden the weight of the decision. I respect the choice you have made. Peace. ---
**Author:** ![Witch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/258eb7/32.png) [@Witch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Witch)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/27 "2003-02-16T17:52:19Z")
I’ll keep it short and sweet. Thanks **Airman**. I am thankful for you and all the men and women like you everyday. ---
**Author:** ![koeeoaddi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/koeeoaddi/32/408_2.png) [@koeeoaddi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/koeeoaddi)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/28 "2003-02-16T18:16:18Z")
Just wanted to add my thanks and best wishes, **Airman**. I will be thinking of you, **MsRobyn** and \*\* BabyDoors\*\* in the days to come. God speed! ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/29 "2003-02-16T18:23:53Z")
Thank you, **Airman Doors** and I wish you safe passage throughout your deployment. One of the ironies of your position is that you fight to defend a system of government that allows others to criticize. While I grit my teeth at some things that are said, as I’m sure you do also, we wouldn’t have it otherwise, and cannot maintain it without the dedicated service of persons like yourself. Be well, Sir, and return safely. ::Salute Smiley:: ---
**Author:** ![hansel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@hansel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hansel)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/30 "2003-02-16T18:26:15Z")
Having served in the military myself, I’m familiar with the military mindset, and I have nothing but respect, in general, for people who serve. Reasons, attitude, and perceptions may vary among them, but they all pretty much stand up to do what they thing is right by their nation, and regardless of the faults some may perceive, military personnel should be treated well. Hope you come back safe, Airman, should you have to go. ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/31 "2003-02-16T22:55:48Z")
It’s pointless and unfair to argue pro/anti war with a person serving in the military. The folks making the decisions are far away from the argument, and they don’t care what I think. The actual soldiers, sailors, flyers, and their families have my respect, my support, and my prayers. That has nothing to do with my feelings about the politicians. ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/32 "2003-02-16T23:15:11Z")
Frankly, I’m tired of arguing about it too. Mostly because, like you **Airman Doors** , I see the futility in doing so. Those in leadership positions in this country are making the decisions. I disagree with some of those decisions, and I agree with others, but in the end it doesn’t matter either way. Though it’s frustrating to think this way, as an American, I’m realistic enough to know that my individual opinion means next to nothing at the decision-making level. So, I’m done arguing about it. It’s a tiresome exercise, and a waste of energy. That said, though I disagree with our leaders, I recognize that most of the people serving in the armed forces are in the same position I am, with the important difference that the decisions that are made affect them more directly. _They’re_ the ones to put their lives on the line, and _they’re_ the ones whose families have to be apart for months at a time. They have as little say in the decisions as I do, and yet their lives can be forever changed as a result of those decisions… and this to protect the fact that my life will most likely continue with little change. It is, as I said, an important difference. That difference means that I have a great deal of respect for you and those you serve with, **Airman**. When I have criticized the war effort in the past on this board, please be aware that I am in no way criticizing you or anyone you serve with. Quite the opposite; I appreciate very much what you have chosen to do, and I respect that sort of choice more than you know. Spend time with your family, **Airman** , and enjoy it… you have more than earned it. As for myself, I plan to do the same. And thank you. Truly. ---
**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2003, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/33 "2003-02-17T00:18:48Z")
I’d also like to add my gratitude and my best wishes for you and yours, **Airman**. I respect you for standing up for what you believe in, and for putting more on the line for those beliefs than most of us ever will. ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2003, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/34 "2003-02-17T01:22:05Z")
It doesn’t have to be your job to convince other people. You’ve got your opinion, and they’ve got theirs. You’ve got a job that requires you to be a lot more personally involved in the final outcome than they do, that’s for sure. I think it’s probably a good thing that you see the arguments for war, because it’s be stressful for you to be deployed against your beliefs. As others have said, I do hope you and your colleagues realize that even those who do not support the war _do_ support the troops. I’m not very happy about the prospect of war, but I’ve adopted a soldier who is deployed in Kuwait–guess that makes me exhibit A. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stranger\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@The\_Stranger\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stranger_1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2003, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/35 "2003-02-17T01:47:19Z")
Airman Doors, I’ve read many of your posts with interest. This might be one of your best. I am the only prior-service U.S. Marine in my family- of those that served, most were former Airforce personnel. I hope that qualifies me to give you a virtual “Hand Salute” and a hearfelt wish of goodluck and safe return. Stranger OUT ---
**Author:** ![Adoptamom\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Adoptamom\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Adoptamom_II)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2003, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/36 "2003-02-17T03:29:43Z")
Thank you for standing strong for our country. Please rest your spirit for a bit and enjoy your time with MsRobyn and Aaron. from a teary mom of an Airman 1st Class ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2003, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/37 "2003-02-17T03:40:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*Hey, some of us love you, Dave, and are grateful for your defense of our nation. \*\* I do not support this war. I do not support the president’s actions. When we finally do go to war, I will be just as against the war as I am now. Do **NOT** insinuate that this somehow means that i don’t appreciate the sacrifice that our troops make for us, or their defense of our nation. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2003, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/38 "2003-02-17T03:57:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Do NOT insinuate that this somehow means that i don’t appreciate the sacrifice that our troops make for us, or their defense of our nation. Let’s see, what did post about **Flymaster**? (checks post) Why, absolutely nothing! Buh-bye now, thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![Pammipoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/87869e/32.png) [@Pammipoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pammipoo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2003, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/39 "2003-02-17T04:23:21Z")
So long as you’re doing what you believe in, thats all that matters. Rock on babe. ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2003, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385/40 "2003-02-17T04:48:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*Let’s see, what did post about **Flymaster**? (checks post) > > Why, absolutely nothing! Buh-bye now, thanks for playing. \*\* Ok then, I misinterpreted. I apologize. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-tired-of-arguing/155385.md?page=3)