I'm tired of the liberal media giving any time to conservatives

Al Franken exposed O’Reilly’s “registered independent” lie in his Liars book. He found O’Reilly’s voter registration with the box checked for Republican.

He’s not the worst of them, though, and I will give him credit for sometimes being able to stray away from the party line (like calling out the birthers as loons), and, probably more significantly, for occasionally being willing to make appearances on hostile shows outside of Fox News. Most of the Foxers won’t set foot out of their own network green zone. When have you ever seen Sean Hannity or any of those “Fox and Friends” tools, or Van Susteren, or Megyn Kelly or any of those assholes ever make an appearance on a network besides FNC? They never put themseleves in a position where they can ever be called on their bullshit.

I don’t watch KO much anymore, but I don’t remember him having too many hostile guests on or going on hostile shows either. If I watch MSNBC at all, it tends to be “Hardball.” Chris Matthews is willing to scrap with anybody. I think O’Reilly is too. Guys like Hannity are only willing to talk to the most neutered opponents, only with other righties to back them up, and only when they have total control of the microphone and the questioning.

It’s funny where neutral is on observers gauges. I find PBS to be neutral. Any issue ,they have top flight defenders of both sides. Sometimes 3 or more positions are shown. But they don;'t trot out some joker, they have the best that they can get.
" Democracy Now" leans a bit left. Almost every other channel tries to hide who they work for. But when a big issue comes up ,they suddenly give the same positions. The Iraq war was a great example. Nobody had the nerve to criticize the runup except Democracy Now. Even PBS was cautious.
Now we have the healthcare debate. You wont find honest criticism of the health care providers , doctors, pharma or hospitals. You don’t see stories of their 5000 lobbyists . You don’t see what 150 million dollars a day can do to the news coverage. The news is an arm of big business.

No need to go any further. Our “poverty” would be “excessive wealth” in much of the world. In the poorest neighborhoods in the USA, everyone has a TV (and many have better ones that I do).

And our so-called “economic inequality” is much tighter than in every country in the WORLD. We still have a massive middle class (which, thank God, is waking up before the TOTUS-reading fuhrer kills it). You seem to be confusing the USA with the EU.

if you are wrong out of the gate, not much point in going on, now is there?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/14/income-inequality-is-at-a_n_259516.html Our income inequality is at a new high and getting worse. We haven’t approached this level since 1920s. It is very fair to note our income equality. We are comparing our poor to people who have become fabulously wealthy in the last couple decades.

I hate to break it to you, but that is how Capitalism works. And I could not help but note there was no mention of the percentage of taxes payed by the wealthy. The top 1% pay 30% of all taxes.

Your response should be “thank you.”

Somehow, when I read your posts, I keep picturing Nicholson screaming at Cruise: “You can’t handle the truth!”.

Even if it were so, so what? Our poor people are better off, they have TV’s? Splendid, they can watch ads all day for stuff they’ll never have.

A nation is a collective of sorts, or its not even a nation, its just a very elaborate game of Monopoly. A* rigged* game of Monopoly, where the banker can change the rules if he decides they are tiresome.

They are our people, yes? Or are they somebody else’s people, who’ve overstayed their welcome from birth? If we won’t even take care of our own, what good are we?

That’s why capitalism is flawed.

And they have 90% of the wealth.

I can has job now?

Thanks.

I agree. :smiley:

So what?

  1. Most of that wealth is invested in buildings, equipment, machinery and manpower – all of which are part and parcel of the creation of millions and millions of jobs by which a great many people in this country live very well.

  2. How is that wealth keeping anyone else from earning their own? I’ve been arguing this for days in another thread. It does not automatically follow that if the rich earn less, the poor will earn more. The poor are not being harmed in the slightest because other people have money. I will not earn one dollar less in my life because Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have billions, and I will not earn one dollar more if they lose it all. My income will depend solely on my abilities and what I do to apply them.

The things that are holding them back are largely due to poor or preferred life decisions (poor study habits in school; lack of proper work ethic; desire for nine-to-five employment and enjoyment of leisure time; unwillingness/fear when it comes to taking risks and investing in themselves, etc., etc., etc.)

The left, typically, wants to answer the allegedly “unfair” distribution of the country’s wealth by taxing people who have money and either giving it to or spending it on those who don’t, rather than trying to implement programs to assist those who would like to succeed to do so.

It’s a lot easier to get votes by championing the former than it is the latter, and the very qualities that hold poor people back and keep them from becoming affluent in the first place is the reason. They (as a group; there are individual exceptions of course) don’t want to work hard, learn what they need to know, put in long hours, and invest in themselves. No, they’d much rather swallow the Democratic line that rich people have all the money so they can’t get any, but if they elect Democratic politicians those politicians will take the money from those rich assholes and give them their fair share.

What a load of crap has been foisted off not only on the nation’s poor, but the unthinking liberals who swallow it hook, line and sinker.

The problem isn’t that the rich are rich; people don’t want everybody to have an equal amount of money. The problem is a small number of rich are so rich that they make up an entire demographic. It’s not a problem of taxes, it’s a problem of everything.

Because I’m not the one claiming that things are terrible here and faunching at the bit to change this country to become like other ones.

I always thought liberals were naive, but I had no idea till I got to this place. Vladamir Putin and probably China would run roughshod over a very large part of the world if not for the fact that the U.S.’ might is holding them in check, and that doesn’t even take into account what tin-horn dictators in the Middle-East and Latin America would be capable of. You obviously have no idea (and this is certainly no surprise) of the threats being held in check by U.S. power and treaties, and would willingly gut the country’s military to fund even more social give-away programs which would serve only to make the country more dependent upon the government – a government that can longer even protect them from foreign aggression.

And what’s up with this list:

*Bests-------------------------------------------------Worsts

Gross domestic product------------------------------Poverty
Productivity---------------------------------------------Economic inequality
Business start-ups------------------------------------Carbon-dioxide emissions
Long-term unemployment---------------------------Life expectancy
Expenditure on education---------------------------Infant mortality
University graduates----------------------------------Homicide
R&D expenditure---------------------------------------Health-care coverage
High-tech exports--------------------------------------HIV infection
Movies exported---------------------------------------Teen pregnancy
Breadth of stock ownership--------------------------Personal savings
Volunteerism--------------------------------------------Voter participation
Charitable giving---------------------------------------Obesity *

I’m sure you’ll excuse me for not taking the U.N.'s word for this – or for anything, for that matter. I’d be hard-pressed to name a more gutless and ineffective organization. And unless you can post some pretty convincing evidence that the OECD and “other groups and experts” know what they’re talking about and have taken into account everything that needs to be accounted for, I’m afraid that this list of yours, compiled apparently from studies done by foreign groups who are likely quite biased, I’m afraid I can’t view this list with any more credibility than the one posted by Quiddity Glomfuster a couple of years or so ago that claimed, among other things, that liberals are naturally more independent, self-reliant, stronger, happier, better athletes, more well-adjusted, etc., from birth than are conservatives. That study got deservedly lambasted, and I’d wager that it wouldn’t take too much effor to rebuke virtually every point made above, though serveral of them are the direct result either of our tradional freedoms (personal savings, obesity, voter participation, etc.) or they are the result of liberal influence since the counter-culture revolution (homicide, HIV infection, teen pregnancy, etc.)

And what’s with this us being among the worst in teen pregnancy? Every time I mention it as a consequence of liberal influence the last forty years, people come out of the woodwork screaming that it was worse in the fifties.

So they owe 90% of the taxes.

So what? Seriously.

How so? Other than jealousy, what harm is caused by people having wealth?

elucidator, et al. like to claim harm is done because they have all the power and can weild undue influence in Washington. But first and foremost, it’s a very tiny percentage of the rich who try to influence Washington.

Secondly, if that’s such a problem, why not pass legislation to stop it? Why is government always the solution (in this case higher taxes), rather than simply passing laws to prevent wealthy people and companies from exerting undue influence? After all, the rich still have plenty of money. Why aren’t they still trying to influence government then? Is the idea to tax them so heavily they can’t lobby for anything? That’s silly on the face of it.

And thirdly, how much power can they really have, given that they are vastly outnumbered at the polling booth and have thus far been unable to prevent the government from taxing them disproportionately? Doesn’t sound like you have much power to me when you have the government, via Congress and the polling booth, making you pay a disproportionate of your income so as to carry the lion’s share of the nation’s expenditures.

So you’re advocating a crippling national property tax?

Thus far the rich pay income taxes on their, you know, income. Most of their wealth is money that has already been taxed, and like I said is invested in property, equipment and employees. It’s not just sitting in a vault somewhere accruing interest.

Right, so biased in favor of lefties that ABC and NBC won’t air an ad critical of Obama’s health reform plans (even after ABC gave the White House a big chunk of unopposed airtime to ut their case).

Oh wait a minute. That’s true. My apologies, continue with your saracsm.

I’m advocating they pay what they owe.

They paid a 90% income tax under Eisenhower. I think that’s about right.

If they paid what they owed, there’d be a flat tax. Under a flat tax, people automatically pay more when they make more, and it is proportionate. A guy making $5,000,000 a year with a 10% flat tax pays 100 times more than a guy making $50,000.

I think that’s about right.

Poor people benefit from the nation’s military. They benefit from schools and roads and ambulances and a strong and vibrant capitalist society that provides even our poverty-stricken with luxuries that would be unattainable in many other parts of the world. Why shouldn’t they pay their fair share? 10% of a $5,000 income is $500…or $41.66 per month, or about $10 a week. Doesn’t sound all that crippling to me when you consider what they get in return.

And besides, they’re probably working less hours than a great many rich people do. So how’s about they mow a lawn every couple of weeks? Around here, the going rate is $30 - $35, and the job takes about an hour. Two hours a month would pay that tax debt easily. Or throw papers? Or clean gutters or rake leaves? Clean offices or wash windows? Or get a part-time job?

Oh, yeah…that’s too hard. Why should they have to do all that, when in return for their votes Democratic politicians will make rich people cough up the difference? After all, it’s only fair! :rolleyes:

[fuck it…]

Democracy Now leans a little to the left? Hey, I disdain Fox News as much as anyone on this board and think the term “liberal media” is an overused meme to discredit anything that might cast Republicans in a negative light. But if any media outlet in this country is truth worthy of the label “socialist” it’s them. Have you heard some of the guests they have on? They truly are the Fox News of the left.

Why, yes, I do recall! You were just about to come back and devastate our arguments with erudition and citatation, but somehow didn’t quite make it back. Got lost, did you? Couldn’t find your way?

Well, this will do as well, I suppose, since you are most likely to offer your usual, bald statements of conservative dogma based on nothing more substantial than your status as the World’s Foremost Authority.

A disappointment to your many, many fans, no doubt. But you were busy.