# I'm Torn - Ted Cruz **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 22, 2016, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586 "2016-07-22T13:02:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/61 "2016-07-23T18:24:41Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You think Cruise won’t resort to personal attacks and insults? He’ll resort to \*conventional \*insults and personal attacks. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/62 "2016-07-23T18:26:05Z")
I disagree with most of Ted’s domestic policies, but why is he a “vile person?” Because his GOP colleagues are jealous of him? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/63 "2016-07-23T18:33:08Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I disagree with most of Ted’s domestic policies, but why is he a “vile person?” Because his GOP colleagues are jealous of him? Because he believes in second-class citizenry. Because he believes in a state-mandated religion. ETA: Remember how the GOP lives in fear of Sharia law? Ted Cruz has no problem with implementing a Christian version. ---
**Author:** ![Kimera757](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimera757/32/3765_2.png) [@Kimera757](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimera757)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/64 "2016-07-23T18:35:27Z")
I don’t give Cruz any respect for this. He was fawning over Trump (in order to steal his votes) early in the primary. Did his opinion of Trump somehow change? No. He’s just bitter because his strategy didn’t work, causing him to lose. It’s a bit like throwing a tantrum, something Trump does on a regular basis. Cruz’s behind-the-scenes actions when he helped shut down the government are one reason to call him “vile”. I’m going to leave the partisanship aside. Cruz convinced a large number of House conservatives to defund the government over the objections of House leadership. The House pointed out that while they could shut down the government they could not get rid of Obamacare, making the entire episode pointless. The Republican would have lost a lot of face, respect, etc for shutting down the government without getting anything out of it… except for the Obamacare website fiasco. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/65 "2016-07-23T23:12:50Z")
[Lyin’ Ted](https://youtu.be/HC-B5n5pOmo). Shame on all of you for granting credit to a hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/66 "2016-07-24T22:29:05Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > [Lyin’ Ted](https://youtu.be/HC-B5n5pOmo). > > Shame on all of you for granting credit to a hypocrite. Answered in post 57. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/67 "2016-07-25T00:48:15Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > On one hand, I believe him and his family to be perfectly vile people with vile political beliefs. I had zero respect for this man in any regard based on his politics and his actions. > > Now I am begrudgingly forced to give him about a gram of Respect. > > Why? Because after all this, he refused to endorse Trump and stated that he could not support a man who attacked both his wife and father. To stand up in front of the Republican Convention and your nation and refuse to endorse the nominee for those reasons is an act of strength and character. I’m curious. Why do you name him and his family as being vile, then praise him for strength and character? Elucidation, please. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/68 "2016-07-25T03:22:00Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I’m curious. Why do you name him and his family as being vile, then praise him for strength and character? Elucidation, please. When you believe someone is vile, or a bad person, do you then believe that they embody the sum evil of Humanity and are incapable of any good? Because I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/69 "2016-07-25T03:29:44Z")
It may have been here or somewhere else, but I read somebody comparing Cruz to Trump like Anton Drexler to Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/70 "2016-07-25T04:13:22Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I disagree with most of Ted’s domestic policies, but why is he a “vile person?” Because his GOP colleagues are jealous of him? His GOP colleagues hated him before he ran for president, when there was absolutely no reason to be jealous of him. As far as I’ve read, it is because he does not play well with others and has no clue that politics involves anything more than saying what you want and holding your breath until you turn blue to get it. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/71 "2016-07-25T13:04:41Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > If Trump loses, you think he is going to be involved with the RNC in 2020? He’ll be bored with politics and disappear. In any case, Cruz would have access to the Bush donor list, and the big money which has been avoiding Trump would come back. Eh. My crystal ball says that, whether Trump wins or loses, Cruz screwed over the RNC at their biggest soiree of the election. The PTB will not forget that and he will not get RNC support in 2020. Individual donors? Maybe, but that ain’t nearly enough. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/72 "2016-07-25T22:10:48Z")
Nope, Fuck Ted Cruz. Stubborn, arrogant SOB. It was him and Rubio and all the other 17 million Republican candidates that fragmented the GOP base and allowed the people who think Reality TV is reality to get Trump those early wins and build momentum instead of running up against a wall of two or three strong candidates who actually have experience governing and not just grandstanding. The fact that Cruz didn’t drop out earlier and let someone like Kasich, or Rubio, or even Bush III take the mantle is frankly the biggest single reason for this bullshit. So Trump did exactly what Trump does and treated Cruz like shit. Boo Hoo. You and your 17 million compatriots all pandering to your own damn egos and refusing to step aside and unite the party around someone other than Trump are all to blame. Fuck all of you. You deserve what you get because you have now made everyone else get the shitshow this election cycle is going to be. And frankly, in the Reality TV generation I’m not at all convinced Hillary will win. She’s just too damn boring. In a country that watches NASCAR for the wrecks… I guess it’s true what they say of Democracy. You get what you deserve. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586/73 "2016-07-25T22:53:31Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Answered in post 57. Staunch absolutist gets butthurt and capitulates. I could give a fuck what Trump said when Cruz was badgering Trump to swear to endorse the eventual nominee. It’s blatant, pathetic hypocrisy from a pathetic, craven political fucktard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-torn-ted-cruz/760586.md?page=3)