# I'm voting for Kerry, but need facts about Bush

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [October 20, 2004, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-voting-for-kerry-but-need-facts-about-bush/270289 "2004-10-20T22:02:33Z")\
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**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2004, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-voting-for-kerry-but-need-facts-about-bush/270289/41 "2004-10-25T20:03:20Z")

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> [@Quartz](#):
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> Then I suggest you think things over. Consider a game of poker: you can only go by what people bet, plus what little evidence you have. Saddam turned the stakes up high, we bought it, raised the stakes higher, and then called it, finding that it was not true.

Team Bush said things like “There’s no doubt,” when there were doubts. Team Bush deliberately decided to call the invasion a pre-emptive war when it was a preventive war. Bush said he’d read an IAEA report that said Hussein could have nukes in six months when there was no such report. Etc  
There’re numerous other examples of deceptive practices on the part of Team Bush. Given the multitude of them I have trouble concluding anything other than the campaign of mis-information was deliberate. Unless they are grossly incompetente.

Perfidy or incompetence.

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**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2004, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-voting-for-kerry-but-need-facts-about-bush/270289/42 "2004-10-25T20:05:17Z")

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> [@Quartz](#):
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> How do you know that Congress won’t swing the other way very soon?

What does “very soon” mean? Noone is predicting that the House of Reps will go Democratic in this election. Besides which, the way things have been gerrymandered, there are very few truly competitive seats in Congress. And, if Kerry wins, then it is unlikely that the House will go Democratic in the 2006 election given that the incumbent’s party usually loses seats in a midterm election.

As for the Senate (which is actually what is relevant since they are the ones who have to consent on judicial nominees), it is closer but I think the betting is currently that it will remain in Republican hands. And, when the Republicans controlled the Senate in the Clinton years, they not only blocked a lot of Clinton’s appointments (by never even bringing them up for a vote) but did so on the basis of the most extreme members of their party…Jesse Helms alone held up oodles of them.

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