# I'm wondering if avenatti might not be such a bad choice for president **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 3, 2018, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668 "2018-09-03T02:54:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668/101 "2018-09-27T06:51:50Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …from your cite: > > Obama fucked up. He owned his fuck up. He apologized. > > What more do you think he should have done? > > If I was to look up in a dictionary the definition of “false equivalence” it would point to this sentence as the perfect example. President Trump has (according to the Washington Post) made [4,229 false or misleading claims in 558 days](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/01/president-trump-has-made-4229-false-or-misleading-claims-in-558-days/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.def48a99770a). You’ve cited one “lie” from Obama: a “lie” that he both acknowledged and apologized for. I stand by my opinion on his integrity. > > He isn’t “my boy.” > > Just for your information: calling a black man “boy” is highly offensive. > > [http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/15/understanding-why-you-dont-call-a-black-man-a-boy/](http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/15/understanding-why-you-dont-call-a-black-man-a-boy/) > > You should refrain from doing so in the future, in my opinion. Just in case people get the wrong idea. > > You are entitled to your opinion: just as I am entitled to mine. Never let an inaccurate reading get in the way of a lecture or faux outrage. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668/102 "2018-09-27T07:01:36Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Never let an inaccurate reading get in the way of a lecture or faux outrage. …and never let time get in the way of responding to a post that was made over 20 days ago!!! Gosh I can barely remember what I typed! Whatever prompted you to drag that post from the depths of obscurity? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668/103 "2018-09-27T07:12:10Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …and never let time get in the way of responding to a post that was made over 20 days ago!!! Gosh I can barely remember what I typed! Whatever prompted you to drag that post from the depths of obscurity? Just browsing elections and can’t be bothered to deal with the Judge Kavanaugh mess. Avenatti looked like an interesting name so I read the thread paying no attention to time stamps and saw the post with the don’t call a black man boy lecture and didn’t recall seeing any such thing so I reread the thread and was like “ah another post where accurately acknowledging a political opponent’s point of view would get in the way of an educational opportunity” so I felt like I should point out that the lecture wasn’t exactly relevant nor necessary. 20 days is ancient history so now I feel sort of bad. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668/104 "2018-09-27T07:25:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > 20 days is ancient history so now I feel sort of bad. ☹ …I’ve had worse things happen 🙂 I may have typed that post in the early hours of the morning. I think I was a tad angry at the time ha ha! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668/105 "2018-09-27T13:29:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Channing Idaho Banks** : > > Does he have a history of that? Do you mean “does he have a history of sexual misconduct?”, or do you mean “does he have a history of being accused of sexual misconduct?”? In any event, he’s best-known for his association with a porn star. To a significant slice of the population, that’s already enough “sexual misconduct” to crucify him over. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668/106 "2018-09-27T15:11:06Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Sometimes experience is helpful. LBJ had a ton of political experience and he got a lot accomplished. But Sanders has a lot of political experience too and he doesn’t really have any accomplishments to his name (he has ideas, but very few have actually become law). > > I like Avenatti though, he is probably more effective as a lawyer than he would be as a politician. I like Avenatti too. GWB was elected because he was likable — how did that work out? LBJ was a great Master of the Senate. Sanders, whether you admire his personality and policies or not, is just a useless back-bencher. _But lack of experience in Washington, DC is not the reason I dislike the idea of Avenatti for President._ There’s one or two smart billionaires who’ve thought of running — I might like them. I might be happy with an Admiral or a University President (Draft McRaven, get both!) Heck, Oprah Winfrey might even make an OK President! :smack: But a grandstanding trial lawyer? I’m sorry; it seems too absurd to even discuss. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668/107 "2018-09-27T15:36:43Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I like Avenatti too. GWB was elected because he was likable — how did that work out? > > LBJ was a great Master of the Senate. Sanders, whether you admire his personality and policies or not, is just a useless back-bencher. > > _But lack of experience in Washington, DC is not the reason I dislike the idea of Avenatti for President._ There’s one or two smart billionaires who’ve thought of running — I might like them. I might be happy with an Admiral or a University President (Draft McRaven, get both!) Heck, Oprah Winfrey might even make an OK President! :smack: > > But a grandstanding trial lawyer? I’m sorry; it seems too absurd to even discuss. I guess my point is that I want politicians who can accomplish things. Unless a politician gets elected, and unless they pass decent legislation, nothing will change. If Avenatti has a higher likelihood of achieving these 2 things, I’d support him over someone who has experience and is less likely to accomplish these two things. But figuring out who is likely is not easy. Also unless the democrats also control both chambers of congress and have a very competent, shrewd, strategic senate majority leader they won’t get anything done. I just want efficient, competent, ruthless democratic leadership. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2018, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668/108 "2018-10-15T23:18:43Z")
Avenatti’s having a bad week already. [WaPo: Judge throws out Stormy Daniels’s lawsuit against Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/judge-throws-out-stormy-danielss-lawsuit-against-trump/2018/10/15/402935e8-d0cc-11e8-b2d2-f397227b43f0_story.html) > [@](#): > > … The ruling ordered Daniels, whose given name is Stephanie Clifford, to pay Trump’s legal fees. > > “No amount of spin or commentary by Stormy Daniels or her lawyer, Mr. Avenatti, can truthfully characterize today’s ruling in any way other than total victory for President Trump and total defeat for Stormy Daniels,” Trump attorney Charles Harder said in an emailed statement. ETA: [here is his Twitter response](https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/1051968238366547969): > [@](#): > > Re Judge’s limited ruling: Daniels’ other claims against Trump and Cohen proceed unaffected. Trump’s contrary claims are as deceptive as his claims about the inauguration attendance. > > We will appeal the dismissal of the defamation cause of action and are confident in a reversal. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668/109 "2018-10-16T15:32:37Z")
nobody with an IQ over 50 thought he was a good pick. He would be fun in debates but that’s about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-wondering-if-avenatti-might-not-be-such-a-bad-choice-for-president/820668.md?page=5)