# Imagine no teabaggers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 21, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529 "2010-07-21T23:55:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/181 "2010-07-24T01:32:55Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Well, the proto-teabaggers were a big part of the cheerleading squad for Bush’s preemptive strike doctrine, so I don’t really see how they can object to having such a doctrine applied to themselves. Unless perhaps they care to admit that they were wrong? Barring that, it’s only fair to let em die by the sword they helped forge. > Of course, we’d all feel bad about it afterwards. 😉 What I’ve trying to determine is if you think a doctrine of pre-emption is justifiable or not? Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/182 "2010-07-24T01:35:02Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Since he’s blatantly factually wrong, no. As I said; he’s either lying or delusional, probably lying. Option 3: he disagrees with you. And you are the one that is delusional. And I think the odds on #3 being correct are short indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/183 "2010-07-24T01:57:53Z")
…and give every poster the respect they deserve. > [@The\_Facts](#): > > When evil is armed, words aren’t enough. Bush and Cheney believed this: react to the US’s security challenges with maximum hysteria. Conservative supporters of Axis of Evil analysis, like **The Facts** , step well beyond what is legitimate self defense - they reside in the land of the paranoid. So if Iraq might have weapons of mass destruction, we should invade. Since the government is well armed, individuals need their own arsenal. Now **magellan01** might argue that there are distinctions among his conservative breatheran, and I guess he’s right. Some conservatives don’t like Tea Partiers, for example -and now we know that the Tea Party has conservative opponents among both the more and less mentally stable. I was worried for a while that The Facts was a progressive. I apologize Mr. Facts: I didn’t realize that you were an ultra-neo-conservative. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/184 "2010-07-24T02:05:49Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > What I’ve trying to determine is if you think a doctrine of pre-emption is justifiable or not? Which is it? It’s a load of crap, but I’ll happily apply it to those who believe in it, so as not to insult their cultural norms. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/185 "2010-07-24T02:18:57Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Option 3: he disagrees with you. And you are the one that is delusional. > > And I think the odds on #3 being correct are short indeed. They have made threats. They have engaged in violence. Those are facts. There’s zero chance he’s right. Since you are a liar and a bigot yourself I’m not surprised to see you defend them. As for **Sam** ; he’s such a kneejerk the-Right-is-always-right sort that I’d be surprised if he didn’t defend them. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/186 "2010-07-24T02:43:10Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Which amounts to the same thing in this case. I was actually talking about Sam Stone. I was in town when they had that Tea Party march on Washington, there were a lot of people but probably not 100,000 people. Most of them were just sore that we elected a Democratic president but a few seemed upset that we elected a black president. I tried talking to them but by last September (BTW WTF does 9/11 have to do with the tea party, does it make them more patriotic or are they just trying to capture the sense of panic of that day?), folks had forgotten that Obama had nothing to do with TARP or the first stimulus plan, that the Obama stimulus plan was passed with broad bipartisan support. When you broke it down for them what you were left with was Obama fulfilling a campaign promise to pass health care reform (there were issues like AIG and GM as well but the really big issue that had left on the table after you reminded them that neither stimulus packages nor the tarp could really be laid squarely at Obama’s feet). > [@YogSosoth](#): > > Self-defense. Should I wait until I get shot at before firing? As far as I’m concerned, they’ve had me in their sights and are waiting until November to pull the trigger. Are you speaking metaphorically? Because I don’t think anyone is literally going to shoot you. You did not seem to be speaking metaphorically when you proposed the death of the teabaggers. This is simply not how you win arguments. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I sympathize, really I do. Being President, Treasurer, and Chief Box-Gobbler of the Hillary Fan Club is obviously a demanding set of roles, and it’s perfectly understandable that you might, in all the hurly-burly, lose some perspective. I’d rather be Hillary than Obama right now. I mean she can still become President in 2016 and she can avoid the shitstorm that is going on right now. > [@](#): > > (Spoken, incidentally, as someone who is currently quite disenchanted with Obama and feels that he fully \*deserves \*a lot of shit, just not of the type we’re discussing.) Yeah I hear you. He turned out to be such a pussy. > [@The\_Facts](#): > > When evil is armed, words aren’t enough. Well, can we wait until they are accumulating yellowcake and have amassed WMDs? There is not every many whackos in the tea party that weren’t whackos before the anyone even thought of them. This just puts them all in one place so its easier to keep track of them. ---
**Author:** ![rolandgunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cdc98d/32.png) [@rolandgunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rolandgunslinger)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/187 "2010-07-24T03:23:27Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They have made threats. They have engaged in violence. Those are facts. There’s zero chance he’s right. > > Since you are a liar and a bigot yourself I’m not surprised to see you defend them. As for **Sam** ; he’s such a kneejerk the-Right-is-always-right sort that I’d be surprised if he didn’t defend them. You’re not really calling someone a bigot are you? Pot meet kettle. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/188 "2010-07-24T04:13:01Z")
> [@rolandgunslinger](#): > > You’re not really calling someone a bigot are you? Pot meet kettle. I think his problem is that he’s met too many pots and kettles, as they were bounced about his head. What he needs to meet is Mr. Sanity. But they live in different universes so a meeting is unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/189 "2010-07-24T07:20:23Z")
> [@rolandgunslinger](#): > > You’re not really calling someone a bigot are you? Pot meet kettle. Let me guess, I’m a “bigot” because I disapprove of religion, right? You can hate Democrats, liberals, Nazis, Communists, vegetarians and pretty much any other ideology or belief or practice - but hate religion and that’s different. No matter how many people suffer and die because of it we’re all suppose to talk about how wonderful it is. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![rolandgunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cdc98d/32.png) [@rolandgunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rolandgunslinger)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/190 "2010-07-24T14:30:59Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > > [@rolandgunslinger](#): > > > > You’re not really calling someone a bigot are you? Pot meet kettle. > > Let me guess, I’m a “bigot” because I disapprove of religion, right? You can hate Democrats, liberals, Nazis, Communists, vegetarians and pretty much any other ideology or belief or practice - but hate religion and that’s different. No matter how many people suffer and die because of it we’re all suppose to talk about how wonderful it is. :rolleyes: No Der. If you only “disapproved” religion I wouldn’t believe you a bigot. You hate religious people the same as a racist hate people of a different race. You paint every religious person with one big brush and dismiss any possibility that there could be any good that can come from someone religious. My Grandmother was a Christian woman who got up every fucking morning at 5:00 am for as long as I can remember, took a fucking bus to downtown Memphis and cooked food for people in need. When my mom asked her why she does this all the time my Grandmother told her she believed this was where the God wants her. When she died there wasn’t enough room in the church for her service it was standing room only. This tiny woman helped so many people… And for you, a person who probably never lifted a hand to help someone in need, comes in every thread and shits on good people of religion kinda pisses me off. And before you come along and say non religious people do the same work my Grandmother did, well, I already know and God bless em. I also know that there are racists in the Teaparty movement and I know there are bad religous people out there. But I’m not stupid or narrowminded enough to believe that every teaparty member or religious person is evil. It saddens me to see that someone as smart as you to be so hateful and narrowminded. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/191 "2010-07-24T14:37:27Z")
[quote=“Vinyl\_Turnip, post:170, topic:547529”] > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I sympathize, really I do. Being President, Treasurer, and Chief Box-Gobbler of the Hillary Fan Club I was referring to BILL Clinton, you moron.:rolleyes: The President in the 90’s, who the slavering right wing actually IMPEACHED after years upon years of shit. Maybe you can find a grownup to tell you about it. Here’s a sign for you too. Maybe you can get someone to read it for you. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/192 "2010-07-24T15:05:27Z")
And I have no idea how that quoting problem came up … **Damuri** , I’d be happy for a cogent explanation from _anybody_, really. Along with a cogent explanation of what makes visceral Obama-idolators, such as the several in this thread, any better than visceral Obama-haters. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/193 "2010-07-24T15:26:40Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I was referring to BILL Clinton, you moron.:rolleyes: The President in the 90’s, who the slavering right wing actually IMPEACHED after years upon years of shit. Maybe you can find a grownup to tell you about it. My mistake. Unfortunately, you’re no less wrong. Bill Clinton was labeled a womanizer, a draft-dodger, a perjurer? People think Obama is the _Anti-Christ_. Pretty tough to top that. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/194 "2010-07-24T15:56:36Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > > [@kidneyfailure](#): > > > > Oh, come on… > > > > Now, look, I’m about as left-leaning as is possible without turning into an extremist, but let’s be honest here: There were PLENTY of signs with pictures of Bush with bullet holes in his head, Bush with nooses around his neck, and all that type of thing in the recent past. Hell, there was even a movie about him getting assassinated! > > I’ll take your word for it, but I nevers aw any signs like that. So do a google image search for “Kill Bush Sign” and see several. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/195 "2010-07-24T16:10:05Z")
> [@rolandgunslinger](#): > > No Der. If you only “disapproved” religion I wouldn’t believe you a bigot. You hate religious people the same as a racist hate people of a different race. You paint every religious person with one big brush and dismiss any possibility that there could be any good that can come from someone religious. In other words, you call me a bigot because it feeds your persecution complex. I’ve never claimed that “no good came from religion”; I’ve claimed that the effects of religion are overwhelmingly evil. Your grandmother’s charity no more redeems religion than the charity of an SS officer would redeem Nazi Germany. And the analogy with race and religion doesn’t work. Race is just an arbitrary concept loosely tied to appearance. Religion is about what people believe and what they do. And you again demonstrate my point; it’s perfectly OK to condemn all sorts of groups for what they believe; but not religion. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/196 "2010-07-24T16:24:02Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > My mistake. Such an easy one to make, too. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > People think Obama is the _Anti-Christ_. Pretty tough to top that. [Not at all, fool.](http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22bill+clinton%22+%22antichrist%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=C3QFQQRNLTIKJH5XggwTsg8mDBQAAAKoEBU_QlzEV&pbx=1&fp=b6f5afd20980ff7e) :rolleyes: When the Obama impeachment hearings convene, be sure to let us know, okay, Slugger? Would you care to try an answer to my questions in my earlier post? ---
**Author:** ![rolandgunslinger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cdc98d/32.png) [@rolandgunslinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rolandgunslinger)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/197 "2010-07-24T16:36:12Z")
I don’t have a persecution complex so don’t project your own shit on me. And what point exactly do I prove that it’s ok to condmn all sorts of groups for what they believe; but not religion? I don’t have a problem pointing out religious bigots or any other group of people who are assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/198 "2010-07-24T17:21:10Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > People think Obama is the _Anti-Christ_. Pretty tough to top that. > > [Not at all, fool.](http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22bill+clinton%22+%22antichrist%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=C3QFQQRNLTIKJH5XggwTsg8mDBQAAAKoEBU_QlzEV&pbx=1&fp=b6f5afd20980ff7e) :rolleyes: [Google searches are the very best kind of cite.](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us&q=king+arthur+antichrist&aq=0&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=king+arthur+antic&gs_rfai=) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/199 "2010-07-24T18:21:07Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > When the Obama impeachment hearings convene, be sure to let us know, okay, Slugger? By a Democratic-controlled Congress? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/200 "2010-07-24T19:23:08Z")
I’m glad you’re sure that will always be the case. And as long it is, Obama can never get the shit Clinton did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529.md?page=11)