# Imagine no teabaggers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 21, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529 "2010-07-21T23:55:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/221 "2010-07-26T21:03:54Z")
> [@Stoneburg](#): > > I’m 100% behind you in not cutting slack for wilful ignorance. And I hope you will agree that wilful ignorance is a very real problem, that it affects everyone, and that itshould be fought as effectively as possible. Yeah, my objection was to the attitude that “it’s not their fault, 'cause they just don’t know any better.” The problem, of course, is with \*how \*you effectively fight willful ignorance–as the saying goes, you can’t argue out what wasn’t argued in. This is why all the world’s problems would be solved if I had the ability to kill people with my mind. Teabaggers? Dead. Mugabe? Dead. Dude talking loudly on his cellphone on the bus? Dead. Everybody wins! ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/222 "2010-07-26T21:11:37Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > This is why all the world’s problems would be solved if I had the ability to kill people with my mind. Teabaggers? Dead. Mugabe? Dead. Dude talking loudly on his cellphone on the bus? Dead. Everybody wins! Well, not strictly speaking everybody. It’s tough to see that scenario as a win for Mugabe, the person talking on the phone on the bus, or the teabaggers. Not saying it would be a bad thing as such, but just for accuracy’s sake, you know… ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/223 "2010-07-27T00:36:21Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > Yog–, not sure why you don’t undersþad my question. You are making all sorts of vague claims about how Tea Party people will shoot you or whatever. But how exactly do you see that going down? Will they riot in the streets and shoot radom people? Will they pull voting records and shoot registered Democrats? Will they start an armed insurrection to overthrowthe US and shoot several police and military personnel along with some civilians in the process? Or what? > > They’ve already attacked Democratic lawmakers. We had some idiotic group called the Hutaree or some shit like that try to pull off a huge cop killing spree in the hopes it would lead to a revolution. They arrested skinheads who thought they could ram their car into Obama’s motorcade while firing and killing people. As far as I’m concerned, attacking my elected officials who holds my viewpoint is a precursor to attacking people like me > > Public figures would come first. Maybe someone will mail bombs to prominent liberals, maybe they’ll be attacked on the streets like that film maker who was stabbed by a radical Islamic fundie. I’m sure you’re wetting your pants at the thought of someone attacking Michael Moore. > > If you want to target people it’s easy. You nutjobs are already intimidating and blowing up places that provide abortions, it doesn’t take a whole lot of brain cells to think that maybe some Tea Baggers will toss a bomb at a Democratic rally, or a rally for a liberal cause. Sarah Palin already told people to target people with liberal bumper stickers, and lo and behold, some idiot rams his car into a guy driving a car with an Obama sticker a few months back. > > I’m sure you’re too unimaginative to think such things could happen, but they can and have. But it’s ok, I know you’re trolling on purpose. Next you’ll probably ask how they’ll shoot me if I would only keep my mouth shut about being liberal, right? Thank you, that’s some good crazy. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/224 "2010-07-27T04:53:12Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Thank you, that’s some good crazy. Yeah, all from the right wing side. Any defense, or just excuses? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/225 "2010-07-27T14:45:24Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Well, not strictly speaking everybody. It’s tough to see that scenario as a win for Mugabe, the person talking on the phone on the bus, or the teabaggers. > > Not saying it would be a bad thing as such, but just for accuracy’s sake, you know… Everybody who matters wins! > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Thank you, that’s some good crazy. Stop making me agree with you. **YogSosoth** , there are definitely some crazy, violent people on the fringe of the teabagger movement, but to expect some huge group of conservatives to instigate coordinated physical violence against Democrats/liberals… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/226 "2010-07-27T16:43:18Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Everybody who matters wins! I’ll allow that. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/227 "2010-07-27T17:12:36Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Stop making me agree with you. **YogSosoth** , there are definitely some crazy, violent people on the fringe of the teabagger movement, but to expect some huge group of conservatives to instigate coordinated physical violence against Democrats/liberals… :rolleyes: I guess you missed the part where it already happened? It will take no more than a couple of right-wingers, the Becks and the Limbaughs, to say that liberals are a threat and to throw shit through their windows to start a campaign of violence. Conservatives are so stupid they’d happily follow along with whatever their masters tell them to do But hey, prove me wrong. Prove that it wasn’t a right-wing retard who told people to throw bricks through Democratic Congressmen’s windows. Prove that it wasn’t Palin who said to target Democrats, using crosshairs in her little powerpoint. Prove that people who are putting up signs comparing Obama and Hitler aren’t conservatives. Sorry, but it’s already begun to happen. The only way to stop continuing violence is if somehow all conservatives had their IQ’s increased to triple digits. That, unfortunately, would take a miracle of the god that doesn’t exist ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/228 "2010-07-27T18:53:31Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I guess you missed the part where it already happened? […] Prove that it wasn’t a right-wing retard who told people to throw bricks through Democratic Congressmen’s windows. Prove that it wasn’t Palin who said to target Democrats, using crosshairs in her little powerpoint. Prove that people who are putting up signs comparing Obama and Hitler aren’t conservatives. \*\*None \*\*of this is a “huge group of conservatives to instigate coordinated physical violence against Democrats/liberals,” which is your premise. There are people in the conservative mainstream saying deeply stupid things, and there are a few people on the fringe who are getting physically confrontational to the point of violence against people or property. None of that is hordes of Limbaugh’s dittoheads swarming the streets to pull everybody out of a car with an Obama bumpersticker and shoot them in the back of the head to lie in the street as a warning to others, which is what your retarded prediction amounts to. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/229 "2010-07-27T18:56:47Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > \*\*None \*\*of this is a “huge group of conservatives to instigate coordinated physical violence against Democrats/liberals,” which is your premise. There are people in the conservative mainstream saying deeply stupid things, and there are a few people on the fringe who are getting physically confrontational to the point of violence against people or property. None of that is hordes of Limbaugh’s dittoheads swarming the streets to pull everybody out of a car with an Obama bumpersticker and shoot them in the back of the head to lie in the street as a warning to others, which is what your retarded prediction amounts to. I don’t think the danger necessarily comes from the teabaggers themselves. I think you may see a situation where their extreme elements do get involved in some violent shenanigans, and people start clamoring for increased police presence and powers. And we all know that the po pos are great at using those powers to restrain the subversive forces of the right, rather than directing them against dangerous leftist elements (like gays and ethnic minorities)… ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/230 "2010-07-28T20:49:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > \*\*None \*\*of this is a “huge group of conservatives to instigate coordinated physical violence against Democrats/liberals,” which is your premise. There are people in the conservative mainstream saying deeply stupid things, and there are a few people on the fringe who are getting physically confrontational to the point of violence against people or property. None of that is hordes of Limbaugh’s dittoheads swarming the streets to pull everybody out of a car with an Obama bumpersticker and shoot them in the back of the head to lie in the street as a warning to others, which is what your retarded prediction amounts to. Is this shit Loki’s Wager? Cause if you’re going to define widespread violence as the point where Rush’s millions of listeners attack liberals in the streets, you’ll never get it. But there is a point in which we have already crossed where the fringe radical right has become the typical and popular plurality among the right. There is absolutely a huge group of conservatives dedicated and able, and have exercised that ability, to hurt liberals and liberal causes. The right wing may as well rebrand itself as the Tea Baggers because those retards are the mainstream now. Everywhere you look there is the stifling of moderate, or non-crazy, conservative ideology. McCain can’t even support bills he pushed through. Romney’s afraid to tout his own universal health care program he instituted in Massachusetts. Obama’s White House has to apologize for putting out a report on possible right wing terrorism even though his administration had one from the left, and one from the right. You have Congressmen apologizing to oil companies and saying the president’s acting like a mobster. Hell, right retards even dropped patriotism like a hot potato by siding with foreign leaders in order to show how much they disagreed with Obama’s foreign policy in South America. You have a Senator praying on the fucking Senate floor for the death of another Senator! No, Loki, your fucked up fantasy about a responsible right wing doesn’t exist. If there are non-crazy right wingers, they are in hiding and the extreme minority. The Tea Baggers are no more than a thuggish group of domestic terrorists that need to die as fast as possible so that America can progress past their evils ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/231 "2010-07-28T21:26:06Z")
No shit, the right wing is fucking nuts. But there’s a huge, \*huge \*gap between “they are trying to enact retarded policies” and “they are going to get physically violent on a significant scale.” ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/232 "2010-07-28T21:48:30Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > there’s a huge, \*huge \*gap between “they are trying to enact retarded policies” and “they are going to get physically violent on a significant scale.” How then do you explain their conquest of Iraq? I feel threatened by crazy ass shit like that. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/233 "2010-07-28T21:54:37Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > How then do you explain their conquest of Iraq? If killing brown foreigners were considered by the right wing to be remotely comparable to killing white Americans, we never would have invaded Iraq. Fucking duh. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/234 "2010-07-28T22:08:49Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > No shit, the right wing is fucking nuts. But there’s a huge, \*huge \*gap between “they are trying to enact retarded policies” and “they are going to get physically violent on a significant scale.” I agree with you as far as you go. But I think there have been some things filling in some of those gaps. Most of those things are still rhetorical, and still offer some plausible deniability to the speakers, but in the context of the US talk of “secession” isn’t a non-violent thing. Talk of uprisings and using the 2nd to overthrow the government can be handwaved as rhetoric and, honestly, fifty years from now we may be able to see that it is just rhetoric. But fifty years from now we might also be able to see where the seeds of some pretty violent acts were sown. The problem is that from the contemporary perspective, it’s very hard to know which words are going to spark something, which words are going to take root. I think it’s okay to be wary of violent rhetoric and to wonder just how far it will go. It’s not to “physically violent on a significant scale” but it isn’t just “trying to enact retarded policies.” ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/235 "2010-07-29T16:41:04Z")
Tell you what–if you’re right, I’ll happily split half of my canned goods with you while we huddle in a bomb shelter in the hopes of avoiding the worst of the nuclear fallout. But if I’m right, you have to look me up if we’re not still both posting on this board so I can point and laugh at you. For, like, an hour straight. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529.md?page=11)