# Imagine no teabaggers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 21, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529 "2010-07-21T23:55:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Fritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c57346/32.png) [@Fritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fritz)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/61 "2010-07-22T12:55:50Z")
> [@Cort](#): > > I saw plenty. The 2003-2004 anti-Iraq war protests were _filled_ with people brandishing placards wishing death and disfigurement on President Bush. You couldn’t throw a stick in any direction without it hitting someone calling him a Nazi and a terrorist. > > I’ve never been to a tea-party protest but, based on the footage I’ve seen, it’s clear that the number anti-war protestors wishing death on Bush _dwarfs_ the number of tea-partiers wishing death on Obama. That said, there’s no doubt that _some_ tea-partiers _are_ making those sorts of statements. > > The relevant distinction here, the difference that makes the difference, is that all the hatred and scorn heaped on Bush was _deserved_. Bush is a lying baby killer cunt war criminal responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths and if there was any justice in the world then he, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Blair would have been tried in the Hague, strung up from the nearest tree, and their families billed for the cost of the rope. **What has Obama done to deserve the level of hatred he receives from the tea-partiers?** He’s black. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/62 "2010-07-22T12:58:16Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I am hereby saying this. I am also saying that you are a douche. Ditto. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/63 "2010-07-22T12:59:41Z")
> [@Fritz](#): > > He’s black. Nailed it. The Teabaggers are all like the drunk in Blazing Saddles: “The president is a n-” DONGGGGGG! ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/64 "2010-07-22T13:11:28Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Why either? Why not imagine them simply as having a different point of view and seeing if reasoned debate is possible…and compromise? Why does everyone have to think the same or be the same or have the same view point or perspective? Why would that be a good thing? > > -XT The debate of whether or not the US would be better off without Teabaggers was derailed because people got hung up on the death bit. I also think it is relevant to question why killing would be the natural option if you wanted to remove someone. If I would want to discuss how something would look without something else, my first instinct would not be “What if we killed them?”. And I really don’t want to be in the minority on this 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/65 "2010-07-22T13:58:53Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Now **there’s** something I’d like a cite for. From Sasha Abramsky’s recent article [“Look Ahead in Anger,”](http://chronicle.com/article/Look-Ahead-in-Anger/66152/) _Chronicle of Higher Education:_ > [@](#): > > A recent poll conducted by AP-GfK has found that 28 to 30 percent of all respondents sympathize with the Tea Party, although another poll, by The New York Times, found that only 18 to 20 percent did so. Whatever the number, clearly many millions of Americans are attracted to the movement. Sounds like impressive numbers! [Still, of course, bear in mind . . .](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_of_the_Urinal_Deuce) > [@](#): > > Kyle: Anybody who thinks 9/11 was a conspiracy is a retard. > > Cartman: Oh, really? Well, did you know that over one-fourth of people in America think that 9/11 was a conspiracy? Are you saying that one-fourth of Americans are retards? > > Kyle: Yes, I’m saying one-fourth of Americans are retards. > > Stan: Yeah, at least one-fourth. > > Kyle: Lets take a test sample. (to Cartman) There’s 4 of us, you’re a retard, and that’s one-fourth. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/66 "2010-07-22T14:45:31Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > In other words, you want 50 million Americans to die, because they are ‘hateful’. Got it. Thanks for the heads-up, Mother Theresa. There aren’t 50 million of them. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/67 "2010-07-22T15:40:50Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Seriously? I didn’t know left wingers would even touch guns… > > -XT Lots of us. Keep your stinking little right wing paws off mine. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/68 "2010-07-22T16:02:17Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > In other words, you want 50 million Americans to die, because they are ‘hateful’. Got it. Thanks for the heads-up, Mother Theresa. Lives don’t have intrinsic meaning or value. If they die, so what? Better for the rest of us It’s fact that they practice and believe in an evil ideology full of hatred and vile shit that, if seperated from politics, would relegate their mob to the lowest of special interest groups like the KKK or NAMBLA. They take pride in their ignorance and believe in a pretty face full of vapid, retarded ideas and react with vehement denial every time that is pointed out to them. Tea Baggers are so stupid they couldn’t even pick a name without an obvious sexual connotation. They are a mostly homogenous group of scared white people who have weathered the progress of the 21st century and a black president with all of the stability of a riot. Their leaders call for violence and death, their Congressmen pray to god to smite their enemies, they would rather hurt themselves and the country if only it means a slight diminishment of their political opponents. So yes, I want them to die. They are nothing more than a lynch mob bound together by shared hatred and fear. They stand for nothing because they’ve stood for the contrary just a few years into their past. They are rioters given power and they deserve nothing except swift annihilation ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/69 "2010-07-22T16:09:04Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > Imagine if somebody started a similar thread, but instead of teabaggers said blacks or Hispanics. Race isn’t a choice. There are no intrinsic qualities to being Black or Hispanic, other than phenotypic ones. Political ideology, on the other hand, says a hell of a lot about you as a person. > [@The\_Facts](#): > > So if the Nazis were marching, you’d celebrate their “different point of view?” I’d celebrate living in a country where even people who are dead-fucking-wrong have the right to think what they want, and I’d defend their right to think it. > [@](#): > > If the Klan was marching down your street, burning crosses and screaming “kill the niggers”, you’d try to have reasoned debate? Now you’re getting into the territory of _advocating illegal action_, which \*is \*wrong (and illegal). > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Once again the ‘progressives’ show that they’re anything but. OLO UR NOT TLOLERANT B/C U DON’T TOLERATE MAI INTOLERENS!!!111!11 i caut u!!!111 Fucking retard. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > In other words, you want 50 million Americans to die, because they are ‘hateful’. 1.) I highly doubt there are 50 million teabaggers. 2.) Yeah, I’d be cool with that. Of course, I \*also \*wish death on the guy who pulls up into the crosswalk at the intersection, and the woman in the elevator who drenched herself in perfume. > [@](#): > > Thanks for the heads-up, Mother Theresa. The old bitch was fine with thousands of children starving to death instead of getting their parents on birth control, wasn’t she? > [@BobLibDem](#): > > “The president is a n-” DONGGGGGG! The President is near?! Joke’s on us all–\*\*Starving Artist \*\*is really Obama. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/70 "2010-07-22T16:16:10Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > The President is near?! No, dadburnit! The president is a n- DONNNNNNGGGGG! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/71 "2010-07-22T16:45:09Z")
> [@Fritz](#): > > He’s black. And a Democrat, don’t leave that out. Hard to tell which is the more fundamental factor, but ISTM Obama’s getting noticeably less visceral hatred than Clinton, so far. Could have something to do with general recognition that the mess we’re in is a Republican creation. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/72 "2010-07-22T16:47:27Z")
> [@kidneyfailure](#): > > There were PLENTY of signs with pictures of Bush with bullet holes in his head, Bush with nooses around his neck, and all that type of thing in the recent past. Hell, there was even a movie about him getting assassinated! For the last fucking time, that movie was not made by American liberals, American conservatives, or [anybody American](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_president). It is the false equivalence of false equivalences to drag a foreign-made movie into a discussion about the Tea Party assaults on a sitting American President. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/73 "2010-07-22T16:49:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > ISTM Obama’s getting noticeably less visceral hatred than Clinton, so far. :dubious::dubious::dubious::dubious::dubious: ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/74 "2010-07-22T16:56:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And a Democrat, don’t leave that out. Hard to tell which is the more fundamental factor, but ISTM Obama’s getting noticeably less visceral hatred than Clinton, so far. Could have something to do with general recognition that the mess we’re in is a Republican creation. I don’t how you get that impression. Back in Clinton’s day, the right wing smear machine was still getting assembled. The internet was a mere shadow of its present self. There weren’t massive anti-Clinton rallies and the Republicans weren’t quite so much in lockstep opposition. I don’t recall any astroturf movement in opposition to Clinton or anyone saying he wasn’t one of us. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/75 "2010-07-22T16:56:59Z")
Would the world be better off without pedophiles? Yes. Do I want to kill all pedophiles. No, because that would be a worse crime. Agreed? I don’t equal Teabaggers (really, shouldn’t that be added to the spell check by now?) with pedophiles, I just picked the worst thing that I still wouldn’t want to kill. Teabaggers are more like neo-nazis to me. Actually they’re pretty much exactly like neo-nazis. Retardedly ignorant angry right wing extremists with a violent streak. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/76 "2010-07-22T17:00:08Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t how you get that impression. Back in Clinton’s day, the right wing smear machine was still getting assembled. The internet was a mere shadow of its present self. There weren’t massive anti-Clinton rallies and the Republicans weren’t quite so much in lockstep opposition. I don’t recall any astroturf movement in opposition to Clinton or anyone saying he wasn’t one of us. Are you saying that if he knew what was going to happen, Gore wouldn’t have invented the internet? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/77 "2010-07-22T17:14:17Z")
[QUOTE=villa] Lots of us. Keep your stinking little right wing paws off mine. [/QUOTE] Leaving aside of what orientation my paws are or aren’t, I’d say you have more to worry about, gun grabbing wise, from the left than from the right, ehe? 😛 [QUOTE=Camus] How do you have reasoned debate with people who are either misinformed or not informed at all? Debate relies on pre-existing facts and persuasion, neither of which are useful at all if the other side refuses to acknowledge facts that aren’t featured or highlighted on Fox News. [/QUOTE] IOW, ‘debate’ for you means that both sides think exactly the same way, and if they don’t, or if they get their news from a source no approved by you, then no ‘debate’ is possible. Can you get reasoned debate from all ‘teabaggers’? Of course not…maybe not even most. However, you guys are all painting with ridiculously broad brushes in this thread, as if every ‘teabagger’ is in lock step with every other one, all being racist monsters, ignorant AND stupid, neo-Nazis and probably duck fucking closet homosexuals to boot. You are demonizing them, in other words, because it makes you feel superior…plus it’s so much easier to dismiss someone if you think of them the way you are thinking of them. Here’s the irony…conservatives have been doing the same thing about liberals (and greens, and lefties, etc etc) for decades now. Many of them feel exactly the same way about YOU and YOU feel about THEM. And so, our political system has gotten to the point where partisan politics is the be all and end all…there IS no debate, because both sides have build constructs and pigeon-holes for their opposition, and thus can simply dismiss them without thought or bother. Currently the leftwing THINKS it’s in ascendancy in the US (and for all I know, they actually are), so they don’t think need to bother with those scruffy ‘teabaggers’ (even the name is derogatory, since while they self selected it the didn’t do so in the way it’s used now). There is a healthy measure of pay back thinking as well, since the left and ‘liberal’ has been put down and dismissed in the past, and now that they are on top they are going to get some back. What’s funny, to me at least, is that this is nearly identical to what brought conservative thought to the supposed ascendancy, and is nearly a mirror image (even to the wishful thinking that they would all just die and go away, dismissal of them as drooling idiots in lock step, caricaturization of their supposed positions and stances, etc) of what THEY did when they were on top. Pride comes before the fall…keep that in mind when the worm turns and those idiots on the right take control again. From my perspective, both the left and right in this country are slowly destroying it, and, from the heart, I say…A pox on BOTH of your houses. -XT ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/78 "2010-07-22T17:17:42Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Leaving aside of what orientation my paws are or aren’t, I’d say you have more to worry about, gun grabbing wise, from the left than from the right, ehe? 😛 Probably not, speaking for myself. My right to own is pretty safely protected by the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia. Of course, many of the teabaggers and their hateful fellow travellers would like to see me removed from the ranks of people protected by either that document or the federal constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/79 "2010-07-22T17:27:36Z")
Teabaggers are not comparable to liberals or conservatives. They are a just fringe loonies. They don’t even really have an articulable ideology or platform. They don’t stand FOR anything, they are defined purely by hysterical opposition to Obama. When you get past the racism, the birth certificates, the antichrist paranoia, the Bible thumping, the gun fetishism, the homophobia, etc., there’s nothing left. They are nothing but an aggregation of religious and social issue cranks, conspiracy theorists, racists and morons. They do not actually have a platform or a philosophy or a strategy or a solution to anything. Their entire _raison d’etre_ is hating Obama. They don’t have any policy proposals or alternate ideas, just personal animosity towards the President. At least the liberals hated Bush for a REASON. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/80 "2010-07-22T17:43:02Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Teabaggers are not comparable to liberals or conservatives. They are a just fringe loonies. They don’t even really have an articulable ideology or platform. They don’t stand FOR anything Often amusingly so. There’s a car I often walk past which has a number of Tea Party-friendly stickers (including one supporting the doomed gubernatorial campaign of Carl “HORSE PORN” Paladino). It’s also got one sticker ridiculing global warming activists…and another castigating Big Oil and offshore drilling. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529.md?page=5)