# Imagine no teabaggers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 21, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529 "2010-07-21T23:55:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/161 "2010-07-23T20:42:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Or he knows more about what he said than you. > > Next. Or he hasn’t gone to a tea party rally. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/162 "2010-07-23T20:45:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I view this message board as the equivalent of a bunch of people chatting at a party. There’s a \*huge \*difference from someone at a party saying, “Man, I wish all those retards who think X would drop dead” and a public figure saying the same thing in the national media. When someone says that, they usually don’t really mean it, I think the OP really means what he says. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/163 "2010-07-23T20:55:07Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Your level is on display here for everyone to see. It unfortunately consist of a deadly combination of staggering factual ignorance and childish stubbornness. > > Now it’s your turn to answer a question, one already asked and ignored: Why is it so important to you to insist that the teabaggers are only or even primarily racist, not partisan? You (and a few others) are being awfully silly about that. Wait. What? huh? I think you might be confusing SFG with someone else. I don’t recall SFG saying that the vitriol against Obama was mostlyracist rather than partisan. I thought her argument was that Obama is getting it worse than Clinton ever did. I think you responded to someone else who implied that Obama was catching extra heat because he is black 9which you seem to agree with, then you said, Clinton got mroe heat and he’s not black. That’s wher SFG jumped in. I don’t see her arguing that this is all a race thing anywhere. I think you guys might be talking past each other. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/164 "2010-07-23T21:03:49Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Or he hasn’t gone to a tea party rally. Which amounts to the same thing in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Stoneburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Stoneburg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoneburg)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/165 "2010-07-23T21:49:13Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > So, care to make an argument there, or are you just gonna point and go, “NUH-UH”? Because if you want, we can do that back and forth all day, and in the end I’ll still come away looking better, since I’m the one who started with an actual point instead of just an unsupported denial. I think you got wrapped up emotionally by reading the more confrontative posts and thus misread my reply. I wasn’t attacking you, I was only pointing out that althoug it would be nice if wilful ignorance wasn’t your problem, or mine, that’s just not the case. Wilful ignorance will affect you, and you don’t want it to, so it IS your problem. And mine. And everyone elses. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/166 "2010-07-23T22:32:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Pre-emptive genocide. Cool. Why not wait until they actually start killing people. Self-defense. Should I wait until I get shot at before firing? As far as I’m concerned, they’ve had me in their sights and are waiting until November to pull the trigger. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/167 "2010-07-23T23:16:25Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Self-defense. Should I wait until I get shot at before firing? As far as I’m concerned, they’ve had me in their sights and are waiting until November to pull the trigger. What’s the scenario for Tea Partiers killing you? How are they going to do it? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/168 "2010-07-23T23:19:18Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Self-defense. Should I wait until I get shot at before firing? As far as I’m concerned, they’ve had me in their sights and are waiting until November to pull the trigger. So, you’re in proposing a pre-emptive strike? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2010, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/169 "2010-07-23T23:30:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So, you’re in proposing a pre-emptive strike? Who was it that came up with the Bush doctrine? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/170 "2010-07-24T00:09:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Sure can, just can’t be arsed, not for someone on \*your \*level. > > Now go do some homework, as already recommended. I sympathize, really I do. Being President, Treasurer, and Chief Box-Gobbler of the Hillary Fan Club is obviously a demanding set of roles, and it’s perfectly understandable that you might, in all the hurly-burly, lose some perspective. But no matter how much your own butt hurt— and I know it hurt very, \*very \*badly— when Hillary lost, you can’t project your own sphincteric anguish onto the public at large. Mind you, I’m not minimizing your pain. You were sore, red, throbbing, and justifiably angry. But it’s a question of frequency and volume, not intensity. If the contest were “who’s angrier over criticism of their candidate,” Hillary would win hands-down because you’d single-handedly blow the curve. But the question is “who’s taken more shit?” So come on. Let’s not even pretend. (Spoken, incidentally, as someone who is currently quite disenchanted with Obama and feels that he fully \*deserves \*a lot of shit, just not of the type we’re discussing.) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/171 "2010-07-24T00:16:58Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Who was it that came up with the Bush doctrine? What does that have to do with anything? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/172 "2010-07-24T00:22:48Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So, you’re in proposing a pre-emptive strike? Maybe he’s(?) just being wary? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/173 "2010-07-24T00:31:48Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > What’s the scenario for Tea Partiers killing you? How are they going to do it? Some sort of terrorist action. This past week a right wing loony got into a gunfight with some Oakland cops. Cool heads and professionalism prevailed at the Oakland PD and only the body armored perp was hurt, but not killed. Reportedly the conservative bank robber was planning on taking down the ACLU and Tides Foundation. When you have hot headed conservative lunatics calling for violence on the radio (with a thin veil of course) some sensitive souls are liable to act on it. The same would apply to sociopathic posts like the OP, except they don’t have anywhere near the same reach. You know who called for mass murder? _Godwin_. > [@Shot From Guns](#): > > Hitler had loved ones who would miss him. Curse you **Shot From Guns** for beating me too the punch! > [@The Fear](#): > > Once again, we have the “all god’s children” rhetoric. Yes, yes, their children love them … so what? Morality consists of doing the most good for the greatest amount of people. The teabag virus would be sad for a few people, maybe … but would leave an infinietely better place for the rest. Nobody in the discussion, including you, denies this. Actually this is more Stalinist (10 million dead) than Naziist (6? million Jews). I find it hard to see how veiled calls for mass murder are consistent with any moral system, never mind utilitarianism. You are depraved. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/174 "2010-07-24T00:44:02Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Are you blind as well as retarded? You have \*a bunch of people \*telling you that Obama’s getting hit much worse than Clinton ever was, and \*you \*can’t provide any evidence in favor of your position. Reverend Falwell distributed videos that accused Clinton of murder (google Vince Foster). Read the Wallace literature from the 1960s for more examples of right-wing paranoia. Conservatives go ape-shit whenever a Democrat is elected President. That the case against Obama is less than threadbare doesn’t really matter – this is a matter of political psychology. In 2008, I thought that the swamps would be even crazier if Hillary was elected Prez: now I am not so sure. Obama is a clean cut guy, IMHO: their attacks provide us with insight into modern conservative personality defects. Thankfully, the left doesn’t have so much of this: I’d argue that the OP is more an exception than the rule. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/175 "2010-07-24T00:46:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > What does that have to do with anything? Bush co liked pre-emptive strikes though they violated age-old rules of war – not that it matters to the modern conservative. The wider point is that the OP is embedded in the crazy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Facts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@The\_Facts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Facts)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/176 "2010-07-24T00:54:25Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > If one of my intellectual betters started a thread, I might. You sure as hell aren’t my intellectual better, by any stretch of the imagination. And yet, you have no argument. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Facts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@The\_Facts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Facts)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/177 "2010-07-24T00:57:19Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > While the OP is not Glenn Beck, we correctly condemn this sort of speech when it comes from the right and we should condemn it when it comes from the left. Sure Glenn beck has a wider and tupider audience than this message board but on principle we are more devoted to fighting ignorance with words, not with biological weapons. When evil is armed, words aren’t enough. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/178 "2010-07-24T01:07:05Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > What does that have to do with anything? Well, the proto-teabaggers were a big part of the cheerleading squad for Bush’s preemptive strike doctrine, so I don’t really see how they can object to having such a doctrine applied to themselves. Unless perhaps they care to admit that they were wrong? Barring that, it’s only fair to let em die by the sword they helped forge. Of course, we’d all feel bad about it afterwards. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/179 "2010-07-24T01:24:43Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Well, the proto-teabaggers were a big part of the cheerleading squad for Bush’s preemptive strike doctrine What’s your evidence for that proposition? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529/180 "2010-07-24T01:32:18Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Or he knows more about what he said than you. Since he’s blatantly factually wrong, no. As I said; he’s either lying or delusional, probably lying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imagine-no-teabaggers/547529.md?page=10)