# "Immaculate conception" and "Virgin birth" are not the same \*&^%$%&(\*# thing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2005, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029 "2005-03-31T01:25:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/41 "2005-04-04T17:03:00Z")
I hate to carp on this, but people are always trying to make money off a trend with these crappie parody products. ---
**Author:** ![Faruiza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecd19e/32.png) [@Faruiza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Faruiza)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2005, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/42 "2005-04-04T22:55:21Z")
Usually, you cats are pretty funny, but I’m not taking the bait on this one. I’ll just perch over here. ---
**Author:** ![Sample\_the\_Dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Sample\_the\_Dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sample_the_Dog)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/43 "2005-04-05T01:38:50Z")
I hate to interrupt a grapeworthy bad pun run, but… Is anybody taking the time to show a little empathy for Mary here? I mean, she gets the burden of delivering the Son of God, and what does she get? Not so much as a kiss, thank you very much! At least Zeus had the decency to offer his concubines a little godly nookie, even if it did take some kinky shapes. Shadow, my ass! Ever make love to a shadow? Fun it ain’t! ---
**Author:** ![Lissla\_Lissar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lissla\_Lissar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissla_Lissar)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/44 "2005-04-05T03:29:49Z")
Well, she did get crowned Queen of Heaven and all. I mean, it isn’t sex, but at least it’s something. I’m trying to work something up with ‘halibut’ and ‘grouper’, but it isn’t working. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/45 "2005-04-05T05:26:33Z")
> [@Lissla Lissar](#): > > I’m trying to work something up with ‘halibut’ and ‘grouper’, but it isn’t working. Don’t worry, I’m sure your mental block is just a fluke. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/46 "2005-04-05T06:10:54Z")
Let’s tuna our attention back to the OP, lest this thread flounder further. For the dopers out there who believe that Mary was an “perpetual virgin”, that she was conceived of sinless stock herself, may I ask, CITE!? Direct me to some text between Genesis and Revelation which supports those allegations, and I’ll be happy to read, as I may have missed something over the years. In advance-don’t dismiss with “It’s a mystery.” It’s time to lay your cods on the table or clam up. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lissla\_Lissar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lissla\_Lissar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissla_Lissar)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/47 "2005-04-05T15:08:50Z")
Are you assuming Sola Scriptura there, **dances**? 😃 Crabby Prostestants. Always whaling on tradition. Even worse than those halibut-eaters. Who don’t believe in cod. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/48 "2005-04-05T15:30:00Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > See above. St. Joachim laid St. Anne, in the normal manner (well, we assume; perhaps they did it on donkeyback or something!). I’ve heard of people taking it **in** the ass, but never **on**. If Mary was without Original Sin, does that mean she didn’t know the difference between good and evil? Does it mean that she was deprived of her free will by God? If not, then why doesn’t God make all of us without original sin? If it’s good enough for his kid’s mom, why ain’t it good eough for everyone else? Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/49 "2005-04-05T17:11:32Z")
> [@Lissla Lissar](#): > > Well, she did get crowned Queen of Heaven and all. I mean, it isn’t sex, but at least it’s something. Maybe Cod had a haddock. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/50 "2005-04-05T17:15:34Z")
> [@Lissla Lissar](#): > > Who don’t believe in cod. Two answers may be applicable here: 1. Those who don’t believe in Cod are going to Halibut. 2. Those who don’t beleive in Cod are soleless vegetarians. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029/51 "2005-04-05T17:17:05Z")
Cod was my co-pilot. Then we crashed and I made a nice filet of him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immaculate-conception-and-virgin-birth-are-not-the-same-thing/297029.md?page=2)