did you miss the part of your cite that says immigration is a net economonic benefit for domestic residents?
This thread is about illegal immigration, which tends to comprise “unskilled immigrants”. The consequence of unskilled immigration is massively higher welfare expenditure.
Is there a robust study of the net benefits to domestic residents?
That is, if a large percentage of workers earn depressed wages, the employer’s savings is ultimately reflected in the supply curve–shifting it to the left. Has anyone taken a broad look at how that affects the economy? I’m assuming my weekly grocery bill is less expensive, that my neighbours’ landscaping bill is lower, and that the general contractor pays less payroll taxes (in both the cases where he pays under the table or pays depressed wages because the undocumented alien has no recourse).
It would be interesting to see how the overall economic benefits compare to the overall economic costs. Or is this a subject for a parallel GD thread?
I am Mexican and have absolutely no intentions of leaving. And there are many, many more of my compatriots who feel the same.
I am not asking you or your compatriots to leave.
I am asking when the large flow of illegal immigration from Mexico will end.
I also acknowledge that if I were a Mexican citizen, I would also head north, especially in light of the worsening violence within Mexico. I see the reasons to leave.
I want a healthy, safe, economically powerful Mexico as a neighbor, not what we have now.
The consequence of unskilled native born workers graduating from poorly funded inner city schools is often higher welfare., too.
That seems a bit of a canard to me. Going right back to the Coleman report in the 60’s, the idea of poorly funded schools explaining poor achievement hasn’t really stood up. The family background, aptitude and motivation of the students are far more important factors.
So is the issue unskilled Latino workers? Anyone have data on how the children of illegal immigrants from China do in school?
There is a math joke in there if you look hard enough.
Let’s re-direct all funding designed to fight “illegal immigration” and turn them into tax paying citizens. Presto, we still have the net positives of cheap labor and we also have the net positive of not spending money fruitlessly trying to stop something akin to prohibition.
As an aside, let’s also legalize and tax marijuana.
I thought he was joking.
Illegals also pay sales tax when they purchase stuff. And they do contribute something - their labor.
You can just get health care though, simply by walking into an emergency room.
Huh? If the cite isn’t relevant for this thread, why did you include it in your OP?
Your practice of citing some huge document without a specific location is growing tiresome. Anyways, your cite does not say what you said it does.
We’ve done this before.
Illegal immigrants are a net benefit to the US. However, they are a net drag on a few states such as California (mainly via costs associated with education of their children).
Illegal immigrants DO pay taxes. Thing is they cannot get many of the benefits (such as Social Security) that paying taxes gets a US citizen. So, they put money in and do not take it out.
But if he gets $1.50 in resources, that’s a net loss of 50 cents for all those of us who were already here. You have to figure in the extra burden placed on infrastructure–he’ll need water, use the roads, consume electricity, use health services, use police and fire services, use the schools, and so forth. Those costs are difficult to calculate and usually aren’t considered when people are figuring the costs of illegal immigration. What’s more, those resources will be denied to the citizens who had a legitimate right to them. You also need to take into account that illegal immigration increases racial and ethnic tensions, and creates an interest group based on ethnicity which will try to divert as many resources to itself as possible.
And we’ll add a massive new burden on Social Security and Medicare, and many other social services. We can’t take everybody who wants to come. If illegal aliens keep coming at the present rate, sooner or later they’ll swamp the boat, at least on a local level if not a national level.
Music to my ears. By all means, let’s.
I don’t know about any other state but this is simply not true in most cases in TN. You can get emergency care to the point of being stabilized and then you’re sent on but if you come in without an emergency you get triage and referral to clinics. Clinics that charge. And then you are billed before you walk out, just like everyone else. Been there, done that, will be paying our ER bill for the next seven years.
By the way, we pay income taxes with his ITIN. You can’t get EIC with an ITIN. We do not get anything back. We probably could get something when we file if we paid in more, but what’s the point of that? Now I get some back on MY work, but I’m a natural born citizen.
I don’t know about anywhere else, but I know my SO gets work like other illegal immigrants by standing out in the parking lot in the local pick up place until someone comes along with an offer. Nobody is pushing the Americans away and I know because I’ve been out there and done it myself. They just rarely go there, probably because these are the crappiest jobs for the lowest pay. But for my SO and plenty like him fifty dollars for a day of crap work is better than nothing.
As for where the elderly illegal immigrants go, we have dozens in our neighborhood right now with no place to go because their tents and lean-tos are under water right now because of flooding under the Wolf River bridge. They won’t take charity, preferring to dig through dumpsters for a bite to eat. They refuse medical care until someone has to take them away in an ambulance. More often they’ll be found dead in their tents or off in the bushes like the guy they found last week in the same area. Not all suffer this fate of course. Some aren’t fast enough to run so they get deported and dumped on the other side of the border to die. But I’m sure some of them somehow get some sort of social security checks because everyone in every immigration discussion makes this claim, so I stick with my area and information I’ve gathered through living through it myself.
Some pay taxes, not all. And in addition to education costs, there are medical costs, incarceration and public assistancecosts.