# Immigration for the best and brightest **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 22, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472 "2011-10-22T21:00:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/61 "2011-11-01T17:07:18Z")
Thank you. Now I see what the debate might be. Well, if you wanted the Supreme Court to clarify this ruling, someone would have to challenge the citizenship status of a child of illegal immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/62 "2011-11-01T17:26:59Z")
Well, not “someone”. Joe Schmoe from Piscapo wouldn’t have standing. Congress would have to pass some kind of legislation providing for deportation of children of illegal immigrants, and USCIS would have to attempt to enforce it. ---
**Author:** ![DaveBfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DaveBfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveBfd)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/63 "2011-11-01T17:38:47Z")
Somebody asked if Canada has this policy, and we do to an extent. The more educated you are the easier it is to immigrate to Canada. The downside is that we do indeed have many “doctor chefs.” ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/64 "2011-11-01T17:40:10Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > I don’t give a damn what color their skin is, they are freeloaders and we want them out. Who do you mean “we”, kemosabe ? ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/65 "2011-11-01T18:10:32Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Opposing immigration, (illegal or legal), is fine. Being obnoxious and posting in a way to irritate others is out of line. > > [/Moderating] What about hate speech (like calling Mexicans “cockroaches”) in GD? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/66 "2011-11-01T18:19:33Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Who do you mean “we”, kemosabe ? Him and his[del]sss[/del] [del]preciousssss[/del] passport. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/67 "2011-11-01T18:31:43Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > . . . they are freeloaders and we want them out. :dubious: Don’t talk un-American talk like that around **here!** “What a country this is for lazy men! In the spring he plants corn and turns his pigs out into the woods. In the fall he feasts on corn and bacon.” – Early British visitor to the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/68 "2011-11-01T18:32:49Z")
> [@Buchanan](#): > > You mean we should move the illegals already in the country to the front of line? Why would you want to incentivize law breaking? Because it’s still better for the economy than kicking them out, and it’s a stupid law anyway. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/69 "2011-11-01T22:57:32Z")
> [@Eva\_Luna](#): > > What about hate speech (like calling Mexicans “cockroaches”) in GD? As a Mexican member of this board I have been hoping to see the moderators deal with this offensive and distasteful behavior. I am sure if he attack African Americans in this fashion he would have been banned by now. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/70 "2011-11-12T02:26:00Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > As a Mexican member of this board I have been hoping to see the moderators deal with this offensive and distasteful behavior. I am sure if he attack African Americans in this fashion he would have been banned by now. The situation of 12,000,000 foreign invaders freeloading health care, education, and welfare to the tune of **$113 BILLION a year** is a fact. [http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=16980&security=1601&news\_iv\_ctrl=1017](http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=16980&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1017) There is no reasonable defense for this. Wave your human right banner all you want, illegal immigration is a law enforcement issue. Besides America takes more LEGAL aliens from Mexico than all other nations combined. Maybe we should just stop doing that, but at least they speak English and have had a health exam. 60% of rural Mexicans do not know how to flush a toilet. \*\* 60% \*\* It is not the responsibility of American taxpayers to clean up the mess of people who can not control their population, and do blindly what some idiot in Rome dreams up. Unlike Mexicans sneaking into the United States, African Americans were brought here against their will. The United States has made many promises to black slaves, and kept few of them. This should be the priority. Once we deport the 12,000,000 illegals we can get down to providing opportunities to African Americans with the **$113 BILLION a year.** Meanwhile some progress is being made, in Chicago there is a charter school, Urban Prep that sends 100% of their graduates to college. [http://www.urbanprep.org/](http://www.urbanprep.org/) We need more of these schools in cities with large black populations. As to Mexicans we owe them nothing, they owe the United States big time. This is not about skin color, this is about freeloaders. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation\_Wetback](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback) ---
**Author:** ![Naxos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Naxos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxos)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/71 "2011-11-12T03:01:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I believe that it should be made extremely easy for highly educated/accomplished people to immigrate to the United States. > > Are there any good arguments against this? Any reason why it should be difficult for doctors/engineers/scientists/etc to come here? Social morality would treat this as immoral – causing global brain drain for the economic benefit of the US. Political reality in the US, most of it being conservative, would consider this an act of a traitor – making it easier for foreigners to come to this country. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/72 "2011-11-12T16:36:51Z")
> [@CBEscapee](#): > > As a Mexican member of this board I have been hoping to see the moderators deal with this offensive and distasteful behavior. I am sure if he attack African Americans in this fashion he would have been banned by now. I sympathise with you and have some idea how you feel considering the way people regularly talk about Muslims on this board. However, this board does not consider racism or bigotry an offense. In fact, this board has large numbers of hard-core anti-black racists who love to drone on about how science proves that blacks are less intelligent than whites due to genetic reasons. As one commenter put it, on just about any other board they’d have been flamed to a crisp or banned, but here at SDMB, the belief is that so long as you don’t insult other members of the board, you can largely say what you want so long as you’re not deliberately flaming(and the board gives a really large amount of latitude on what is and isn’t considered flaming). Personally, I think the board would be better off tightening up the rules and punishing people for engaging in bigotry, but that’s the board’s decision to make, not the members. It is however one of the reasons why I think the board has a tough time attracting and keeping minority members, particularly African-Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/73 "2011-11-12T16:43:40Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > 60% of rural Mexicans do not know how to flush a toilet. That is quite possibly the stupidest and most racist comment I’ve actually read on SDMB and that’s saying quite a lot. Can you please show me your cite to prove that “60% of rural Mexicans do not know how to flush a toilet.” > [@](#): > > As to Mexicans we owe them nothing, they owe the United States big time. Your comment show an amazing amount of ignorance regarding American history. America stole roughly 50% of Mexico from the Mexicans which we now call Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California. Why do you think there are so many cities in America with names like San Antonio, Santa Fe, San Diego and Los Angelos? We owe the Mexicans big time. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/74 "2011-11-12T16:51:29Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, not necessarily. _Wong Kim Ark_ dealt with a child belonging to _legal_ immigrants. SCOTUS could clarify that ruling - though I’ll bet dollars to donuts it never will. In the 19th Century there was no such thing as “illegal” or “legal” immigrants. There were restrictions merely on who could and could not become naturalized as US citizens. Until 1952, in order to be naturalized as a US citizen you had to be a “free white person” so race was a huge factor. It’s why Chinese and Japanese immigrants weren’t able to become citizens until the 1950s, though ironically enough Mexican immigrants(even the darkest of Mestizos) were able to because they were legally white even if no one in the US considered them that. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/75 "2011-11-12T19:35:15Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > 60% of rural Mexicans do not know how to flush a toilet. \*\* 60% \*\* It is not the responsibility of American taxpayers to clean up the mess of people who can not control their population, and do blindly what some idiot in Rome dreams up. The following quote shoots down your absolutely baseless and ignorant assumption of Mexican population growth. _“Mexico’s birth rate, once among the world’s highest, is in free-fall. In the 1960s Mexican mothers had nearly seven children each (whereas women in India then had fewer than six). The average now is just over two—almost the same as in the United States.”_ [http://www.economist.com/node/15959332](http://www.economist.com/node/15959332) And I’d love to see a cite for the ridiculous toilet flushing claim. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/76 "2011-11-12T21:19:37Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > This is not about skin color, this is about freeloaders. They seem to work **damned** hard for freeloaders. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/77 "2011-11-12T21:22:00Z")
> [@Cyclone](#): > > . . . and do blindly what some idiot in Rome dreams up. But that, OTOH, that **is** a problem. I’m all for the melting pot and all, but of course I hope we never start letting **Catholics** into this country! What? ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/78 "2011-11-12T22:27:13Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But that, OTOH, that **is** a problem. I’m all for the melting pot and all, but of course I hope we never start letting **Catholics** into this country! What? And Irish! They’re a double threat, 'cause they’re Catholics too. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/79 "2011-11-13T01:07:07Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > That animation was awesome. > Yes, Andy is an immigrant, but I’m really referring to the very large percentage of immigrants who do design in Silicon Valley, and who I work with. > > Starting from my office, and heading left, we have me (non-immigrant) Sweden, England, India, England, China, India, China, France, India, India, India - and so on. In this case, my post is my cite. **Still no links to back up your remarks about the great contributions of illegals to Google. I thought not. Please plug into reality here. You made the dramatic claim.** ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472/80 "2011-11-13T01:14:02Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > That is quite possibly the stupidest and most racist comment I’ve actually read on SDMB and that’s saying quite a lot. > > Can you please show me your cite to prove that “60% of rural Mexicans do not know how to flush a toilet.” Sure obviously I can not take you into public restrooms in the border States where Mexican barbarians have left their feces all over the stall. So, let’s try some links. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico) And here is one about the debate on Mexican use of toilet paper. [http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/2910-toilet-paper-and-mexican-plumbing](http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/2910-toilet-paper-and-mexican-plumbing) Your posting is a perfect example of out-of-touch liberals who have no idea the reality of the problem of illegal immigration. Either that or you are some kind of pro-illegal propagandist. Either way you are out of touch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-for-the-best-and-brightest/600472.md?page=5)