# Immigration - how did it become such a disorganized mess? When did the policy change? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 17, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-how-did-it-become-such-a-disorganized-mess-when-did-the-policy-change/772275 "2016-11-17T19:04:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-how-did-it-become-such-a-disorganized-mess-when-did-the-policy-change/772275/21 "2016-11-18T00:05:09Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > Since you can’t even be bothered to notice that the INS hasn’t existed for over a decade (you can thank George W Bush, btw), I’m confused by your sudden urgency and deeply-held opinions about doubling its budget. It’s not like we stopped enforcing the laws. There was just an administrative shuffling of the various agencies. The Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol (which were under the Justice Dept) and the United States Customs Service (which was under the Treasury Dept) were transformed into Citizenship and Immigration Services, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and Customs and Border Protection (which are all under the Dept of Homeland Security). ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-how-did-it-become-such-a-disorganized-mess-when-did-the-policy-change/772275/22 "2016-11-18T01:29:10Z")
Once you get all those dirty, murdering, raping illegals out, tell me: How many tons of strawberries are you going to pick? Lettuce? Apples? Who is going to mow your lawn for $10? The press went wild a couple of years ago when the [del]Lone Ranger[/del] Immigration Agents raided a slaughterhouse in Iowa - between the ones they caught and the ones who were afraid to come back, that plant lost 50% of its workforce. Very few businesses can lose 50% of workforce AND continue operating. The kicker: this shop was one of the largest sources of Kosher/Halal\* meats in the country. It was also about the only employer of any size near that town. The proper, **white** people were torn… - - you don’t want to know. It has to do with those murderous commie **Muslims**. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-how-did-it-become-such-a-disorganized-mess-when-did-the-policy-change/772275/23 "2016-11-18T01:37:31Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > So was the dramatic increases in crime that need strong measures to be fought. > > My rage at the press grows broader and hotter every day. I don’t know what your soucres are, but mine say the crime rate has been steadly dropping since a peak in 1991, and in 2015 was the lowest number of raw crimes since 1973. > **[United States Crime Rates 1960 t0 2019](https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm)** > > United States crime statistics, United States , United States rape, United States murder, United States property crime, United States crime index, United States violent crime, violent crime in State, United States burglary, United States vehicle... ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-how-did-it-become-such-a-disorganized-mess-when-did-the-policy-change/772275/24 "2016-11-18T01:45:31Z")
The strawberry, apple and lettuce farmers will have to pay higher wages to their now legal workers and it’ll cost me more to buy their products. The lawncare services company will have to pay higher wages to their now legal workers and my lawn will cost me $15 to have mown. Or I could just keep doing it myself until my kids get old enough to do it (grow faster kids dammit). The kosher/halal slaughterhouse will have to pay higher wages to their now legal workers and their prices will have to rise. Sucks to lose 50% of your workforce, try obeying the law next time. None of these seem particularly insurmountable obstacles. ETA: A reply to usedtobe ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-how-did-it-become-such-a-disorganized-mess-when-did-the-policy-change/772275/25 "2016-11-18T16:57:39Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > I don’t know what your soucres are, but mine say the crime rate has been steadly dropping since a peak in 1991, and in 2015 was the lowest number of raw crimes since 1973. That’s precisely my point. Sorry if I was too opaque. DT railing about our lawless, violent country was utter nonsense, but it plays to the terrified heartland. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/immigration-how-did-it-become-such-a-disorganized-mess-when-did-the-policy-change/772275.md?page=1)