Well, that didn’t take long.
In that case, the proper response to your OP is “No. Getting CoVID should not fulfill vaccine requirements” since we all know that getting CoVID AND getting vaccinated (and getting boosted, and again as needed), produces more antibodies than getting CoVID alone. I’m glad we were able to solve your question in a satisfactory manner.
You repeatedly demonstrate that you don’t understand quantity and specificity of antibodies not to mention cellular immunity that @Jackmannii just posted. You don’t understand the variants. And once again you demonstrate that you don’t understand what conflicting studies could mean and just simplify it to someone being “wrong”.
Meanwhile, the US with all its “natural immunity” has had 2-10x the death rate of other wealthy countries even though most adults in the US are estimated to have antibodies by now. What’s the difference? They’re vaccinated and boosted whether or not they’ve been infected.
I’ve cited the CDC that it’s effective and in some cases more effective.
Did you give us a cite that tells us in which circumstances there is a downside to getting vaccinated, regardless of previous infection status? If that were to be universally true, I’d take your side.
I’ve never suggested people not get vaccinated. there seems to be a disconnect in the conversation.
There sure is.
Then you can show me where I’ve said people shouldn’t get vaccinated.
Because you can’t. You have no choice.
Nevermind
Germany recognizes natural immunity.
BERLIN (Reuters) - All travellers arriving in Germany will be required from this weekend to demonstrate immunity from COVID-19 either from a vaccine or previous infection, or present a negative test result, government sources reported.
More on “natural immunity”.
Best? Best is the one that was safe to obtain. My mom will absolutely never catch covid again. It killed her, thus providing perfect future immunity. But not the best kind of immunity.
Nobody has argued against vaccines to generate immunity. But there is great push back against recognizing immunity if you get covid and that is an almost certainty regardless of whether you got the vaccine or not.
Right, and that is, as has been explained a number of times, both because it would encourage people to get COVID rather than the vaccine, and because there is not an adequate test to determine if you have a robust immunity.
And yes, anyone who is arguing that exposure to COVID should count as immunity is arguing against using vaccines to generate immunity.
I’ll disagree with that. I really do think there’s a difference between retroactively recognizing a medically documented case of covid and encouraging people to go out and catch covid. Quite a lot of people who aren’t anti-vaxxers do end up catching covid, one way or another.
My reading of current papers suggests that you get much better cellular immunity from 3 doses of vaccine, or from a case of covid followed by a dose of vaccine, than by less exposure. And that there may be limited value to additional doses of vaccine, except for the recency effect. (antibody levels tend to drop over time, but can be refreshed for a few months with another dose. This is unlike cellular immunity, which is slower to react, but appears to be long-lived.)
Another interesting development.
Could the same thing happen to people who were infected by COVID on multiple occasions ? Dunno. Still feels a lot like Russian Roulette to me, though. YMMV.
This article pulls CDC data to show that vaccine protection was considerably less during omicron than during delta. (and WaPo claims this article is free for everyone)
There’s actually a major debate among doctors and other scientists now as to whether it makes sense to distribute an omicron-tailored booster. Some feel the immunity offered by the initial vaccine is good enough, and others feel that the reduction in effectiveness is so great that we should try to ameliorate that. You can find articles (including in medical sources, like the New England Journal of Medicine) on both sides if this debates out there right now.
From the Washington Post article:
“Before omicron, unvaccinated people were 50 to 60 times as likely to die as people who had received the initial series of vaccines and a booster. That difference dropped in late December to 27 times as high.”
Only 27 times as likely to die from Covid-19? Trifling difference! So go for that “natural immunity”, baby!