I will make two comments. First, Workingdude, you’re simply wrong on the facts. You should stop spreading this kind of misinformation. There are many threads in the QZ that debunk all of your mistaken points.
Second, this thread is pretty moot at this point, since most COVID restrictions are long gone. If I were the OP, I’d probably ask for it to be closed.
There are many scientific studies comparing infection-induced immunity, vaccine-induced immunity, and hybrid immunity in those who have been both vaccinated and infected. In general, hybrid immunity is the strongest, and you do need a booster dose to get as much immunity from a vaccine as from an infection (it should have been a 3-dose series to begin with) but vaccine-induced immunity compares very well with infection-induced immunity. With a MUCH lower risk of death and other complications.
That’s not true. I participated in a vaccine study that measured the T and B cell response to vaccination, and everyone in the study had a very robust cellular immune response.
And how many people do you know who have covid and who have never had covid?
Getting it zero times is better than getting it once.
And never is a rather amusing word to use in this context.
fwiw, I know several people who’ve had covid more than once, now. 
I’ve also known at least a couple people who have had three shots and two cases of COVID afterwards (Delta and I assume BA4/5.) I also known my 6-year-old daughter, who has had zero cases of COVID after two vaccines, and who has been living with three COVID-infected family members full-time. I’d like to think the vaccines had something to do with that.
Natural immunity isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
“Contrary to what health experts initially believed, Covid-19 reinfections are relatively common, and they have grown in number after the emergence of omicron and its subvariants, which have the ability partially evade immunity.”
“According to a study from the United Kingdom, reinfections in the country were 10 times higher during the recent omicron surge than the delta surge in 2021. People who were unvaccinated, younger, and living in “more deprived” areas were at the highest risk of reinfection between July 2020 and March 2022. In addition, people who had a mild first infection with a low viral load had a higher risk of reinfection.”
Vaccines don’t “trick your immune system”. They stimulate the same immune system elements as actual infections, while avoiding the type of hyperstimulation i.e. that resulting in cytokine storm, that can make infections especially dangerous, often in healthy young people.
Hey workingdude, I’m curious to read your research papers on vaccines and long COVID. I think that we could all benefit from your expertise.
Vaccines are no different than natural immunity when it comes to mutations. Don’t get me wrong vaccines are the better route to immunity as far as the decrease in problematic complications that the innate immune system and your body function can cause. No one wants to go through rabies or Tetanus un-vaccinated as your chances of survival are slim, not to mention how horrible the experience would be.
As far as long term immunity goes natural immunity is at least just as good as vaccines are.
I think you both should start a thread to work this out and report back. Or, maybe figure it out by DMing each other, and come back with the cites you both agree on.
One of the problems with natural immunity (apart from spreading the disease to others before dying from it yourself) is that it’s an uncontrolled dose. Vaccines have had their dose size and regimen studied for efficacy and risk. Anyway, please provide some cites that say that natural immunity is way better than or just as good as (whichever one of you is doing the research) vaccination when it comes to long term immunity. Thanks.
It’s really OK to say that you don’t understand a subject and ask questions.
They’re going to be a passionate advocate for COVID vaccinations in … I’ll say … three posts.
I’ll add for all variants and timeframes. And vaccination includes timely boosters. In other words, compare the protection provided by a delta variant infection in July 2021 perform against Omicron vs a recent booster (within 4 months)? @Workingdude seems so confident about his knowledge, let’s see him bring in that paper to discuss.
I don’t think you are on the same page as mean. My bad. I understand the protocols of medicine and playing it safe.
Here is my argument. If someone has had a covid 19 infection and recovered from it they should have a better immunity to it then someone who has taken a vaccine only.
There are different types of vaccines. Some use a live but crippled germ, some use a half dead, germ, some use part of a germ, and some use a component of the germ such as a RNA. I know two of the Covid 19 vaaccines use the RNA as a messenger. If a person gets infected with covid 19 their immune system is dealing with a live germ and not a RNA messenger. Grant you that can be deadly but if the person survives it he should have better immunity then with anything less.
Okay so this is my argument and my theory if that helps. That is what i believe because it only makes logical sense. It’s been shown that Antibodies made from RNA stuff aren’t as responsive as with a live germ. That is probably why so many people have gotton covid after being vaccinated.
Hope that hepls.
I am confident because it only makes logical sense. I am a man of logic.
No, you don’t.
I am a retired molecular/evolutionary biologist, and it is very obvious from the way that you write that you know absolutely nothing about molecular biology or immunology. You are not theorizing, you are repeating half-understood talking points that you have read on Facebook.
Stop doing this. Listen to actual scientists.
never mind
please stop attacking me. Okay I am a loser in life but is what makes sense to me. I don’t think you understand my thinking. I don’t use facebook by the way I read text books but I am a loser sorry. It’s just my theory. You don’t have to get upset about it.
Then stop “theorizing” and start listening to scientists.
Would you consult a hairdresser for their opinion on a heart transplant?
Would you consult a physicist for their opinion on a divorce settlement?
Why do you think your personal opinion is worth jack shit when you simply don’t have any understanding or expertise in what you are talking about?
Explain what RNA is, what it does in normal cellular metabolism, and how it functions in RNA vaccines.
Please stop harrassing me. I made my point.
I have every right to believe what I want. Who made you God? This is America isn’t it?