Impact of Trump's Executive Order to Stop Splitting Up Families

[RTFirefly]

Seriously, goddamn it, any Administration composed of human beings with an ounce of compassion would be moving heaven and earth right now to reunite parents and children - drafting staff from other agencies to help out, whatever’s necessary.

The Trump Administration is still flying kids around the country, making it harder to follow their trail. Stephen Miller’s probably happy as a pig in mud, and Jeff Sessions probably feels like he’s died and gone to heaven.

Every last one of the bastards responsible for this policy, whether they helped design it, whether they helped get it authorized, whether they helped implement it - every last one of them ought to be frog-marched to The Hague, and thrown into prison to grow old and die there.

Fuck this arguing over nits.

[HurricaneDitka]

@Slash1972

First:

And then:

Seems weird to definitively state that people are being charged with a crime, and then fail to know which crime, or if they are even being charged with it.

I balked at the words “all” and “formally” that were not in my original post but were in Czarcasm’s question posed to me. I suspect there are some people that just got aprehended by the Border Patrol a few minutes ago that are presently detained but have not yet been “formally” charged. It’s also possible that despite the announcement of a “zero-tolerance” policy, there are some exceptions where people are not actually being charged. I assume Czarcasm’s question was an attempt at a gotcha like that and was trying to avoid it.

[Slash1972]

@HurricaneDitka

I balked at the words “all” and “formally” that were not in my original post but were in Czarcasm’s question posed to me. I suspect there are some people that just got aprehended by the Border Patrol a few minutes ago that are presently detained but have not yet been “formally” charged. It’s also possible that despite the announcement of a “zero-tolerance” policy, there are some exceptions where people are not actually being charged. I assume Czarcasm’s question was an attempt at a gotcha like that and was trying to avoid it.

I’ve found that well-reasoned positions are not susceptible to “gotchas”. Perhaps you should try that?

[HurricaneDitka]

@RTFirefly

… every last one of them ought to be frog-marched to The Hague, and thrown into prison to grow old and die there. …

The USA is not party to the ICC.

[HurricaneDitka]

@Slash1972

I’ve found that well-reasoned positions are not susceptible to “gotchas”. Perhaps you should try that?

I’m comfortable with the reasoning of my positions.

[Slash1972]

@HurricaneDitka

I’m comfortable with the reasoning of my positions.

And that’s why you have to try to avoid “gotchas”

[nelliebly]

@HurricaneDitka

No, I don’t think I’d generally credit the poor and working-class with “building” the economy.

Then you’re retracting your previous statement?

I’m not convinced that importing a bunch of people who were unable to build an economically robust country in their native land is the recipe for success that you seem to believe it to be.

If so, good for you. It doesn’t happen often here.

[RTFirefly]

@HurricaneDitka

The USA is not party to the ICC.

We can rejoin, as part of our Truth and Reconciliation process in 2021.

Or we could do our own homegrown version, but for something like this, that seems like a bad idea.

[Buck_Godot]

@HurricaneDitka

Your cite has another definition for “indefinitely”: “unlimited”. That’s what I understood RTFirefly to mean and what I was objecting to. If instead he merely meant that we don’t know
“the exact length the process”, then consider my objection withdrawn. We don’t, and that’s no more of a concern for me than my not knowing “the exact length of the process” when I get pulled over for speeding. It could be ten minutes, or twelve, or six. It won’t be forever.

OK lets put some things in perspective. Under Obama 10% of the people entering the country illegally were prosecuted, but even only prosecuting that many that represented about 52% of the prosecutions made by the justice department, and even then there was quite a backlog. Trump now wants to prosecute 100% of entrants so unless he decides to quadruple the size of the justice department, (which he show no interest in doing since it would take funds from his beautiful wall) the backlog will continue to increase with no end in sight. Yes, it won’t be forever, but if nothing changes, some of these kids can expect to spend their entire childhood behind bars, which is close enough to indefinite for me.

[Buck_Godot]

@RTFirefly

Seriously, goddamn it, any Administration composed of human beings with an ounce of compassion would be moving heaven and earth right now to reunite parents and children - drafting staff from other agencies to help out, whatever’s necessary.

The Trump Administration is still flying kids around the country, making it harder to follow their trail. Stephen Miller’s probably happy as a pig in mud, and Jeff Sessions probably feels like he’s died and gone to heaven.

Every last one of the bastards responsible for this policy, whether they helped design it, whether they helped get it authorized, whether they helped implement it - every last one of them ought to be frog-marched to The Hague, and thrown into prison to grow old and die there.

Fuck this arguing over nits.

This touches on another victim of Trumps horribly inhumane policy. Obviously, the primary victims are the children and their families, no question. But I do have to have some compassion for the career civil servants who were not part of the decision making process, and aren’t bad people, but suddenly found themselves subjects in a giant Milgram experiment, except that after the experiment is over its confirmed that the shocks were real. Its going to have to take a psychological toll.