So there’s less conflict, yet more people fleeing what conflict there is? What would cause that to occur? Are we defining conflict more broadly? Syria and Congo are certainly in conflict. Colombia is not under any definition I’ve heard of.
So simple, so wrong. From the US Citizenship and Immigration website:
Bolding mine.
You (and many others) are also confusing refugee status and asylum-seeker status. When a person applies for entry into the US from his own country due to persecution, he is seeking refugee status. A person applying for asylum applies from within the US.
Hope this helps.
It is still a very bad idea to enter illegally into any country. In most of the world’s borders, they will shoot you if they catch you trying to cross and you don’t halt when ordered.
Just once, could you please provide a cite for your “facts”?
Go ahead and try to cross into Mexico illegally. I’ll wait.
That has got fuck-all to do with your claim. Try again with an actual cite that backs up your claim that “In most of the world’s borders, they will shoot you if they catch you trying to cross and you don’t halt when ordered.”
When the authorities prevent you from doing so legally, when in short they refuse to permit an asylum application, that *should *affect your thinking.
Or excuses for him.
What do you want, a study? Why don’t you instead name which countries you can cross into and NOT get shot? That would be Western countries and only Western countries. Attempting to enter China, Vietnam, Russia, countries in the Mideast, most African countries, many South American countries, they protect their border with deadly force, and if you are lucky enough not get shot when they catch you, you’ll wish they’d shot you by the time you got to prison.
It’s your claim-YOU back it up. “Prove it ain’t so!” just doesn’t cut it here, and it hasn’t for a long time.
Okay, so let’s get technical. How many countries do I need to prove shoot people attempting to cross the border to be right? It’ll take work but shouldn’t be too hard. 100 countries?
These are nice statistics, but you’ve failed to convince me that there is a problem. What problem? If you say “The problem that 12 million illegal immigrants are in the country” then meh. I don’t think that’s a problem.
So, what’s the problem again?
Your claim was “most of them”. Since there are approximately 195 countries, 100 will do just fine.
Let’s start with North Korea, since that one is well known. That’s one.
This one actually surprises me: India
https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/01/23/indias-shoot-kill-policy-bangladesh-border
Pakistan, not surprisingly:
Somalia killed Iranians for illegal fishing in their territorial waters:
The boats ignored orders to halt and attempted escape.
Four down, 96 to go.
Please don’t deflect. How other countries treat those who enter without documentation is irrelevant. The US government has made provisions in the past for people who enter the US illegally seeking asylum–or at least, it has until the current president. The US government has understood that entering the US legally isn’t always an option. It’s not a complex concept. Give it a try.
I’ve got all day. Keep going until you back up your claim.
edited to add: You have to admit I was being rather generous for allowing 100 out of 195 to count for “most”, since it is barely over 50%.
The Somalia link seems suspect, since they were illegally fishing, and not trying to illegally cross the border.
Then that’s an issue. You don’t think that those numbers are startling and that something needs to be done.
I was accused of the excluded middle fallacy, but at least you have confirmed that is your opinion. Does anyone else have a solution?
If the argument is “Let 'em all in” then of course we will have these debates about any immigration policy.
Still a border violation. Maritime borders matter too. Otherwise I can’t use Cuba and that will put me at a disadvantage.
What needs to be done? And why? And is it worth it? I’m not arguing “Let 'em all in”, I’m against that, and against open borders. But you speak of “12 million illegal immigrants in the country!!!” as if it should be something I should wake up every morning worrying about because it’s such a big problem. I’m just not seeing the “big” problem.
I wake up every morning, get ready, and go to work. Along the way, I stop at 7-11 for a coffee. And every morning, there are many (and here I might be stereo-typing or whatever) Hispanic looking guys, buying a lot of stuff at 7-11, before heading off to work to make things that people want to buy or live in. Why is that a problem? They are working, buying products, consuming, and producing. Isn’t that good? Further along the road, I see a white guy on a cell phone with a sign that says “Please give me money”.
Which one is the problem again?
I’ll allow it, since you have 90 or so more to go. 