# Impeach Trump. Now. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 20, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327 "2017-02-20T16:47:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/261 "2017-05-15T20:58:17Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > I just picked the first one. Feel free to read one of the other articles. 😉 Well I don’t know what search terms you used but my first hit on “Comey lied to Congress” is: [CNN: FBI issues ‘supplement’ to clarify Comey’s incorrect congressional statement](http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/james-comey-huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-emails/) ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/262 "2017-05-15T20:58:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And you’ve got no opinions on what it might take, right? Instead of demanding from others, how bout sharing your thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/263 "2017-05-15T20:59:53Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well I don’t know what search terms you used but my first hit on “Coney lied to Congress” is: > [CNN: FBI issues ‘supplement’ to clarify Comey’s incorrect congressional statement](http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/james-comey-huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-emails/) Its the same thing, imo. And sufficient grounds for termination. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/264 "2017-05-15T21:03:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No. I am suggesting what I believe to be the actual real-world limits: for the purposes of this discussion, Congress will only be motivated by a “high crime and misdemeanor” that is actually a violation of the federal criminal code, and Congress will impeach just like a grand jury indicts, only on a showing of probable cause. Nah. The Republican party of 2017 is not the Republican party of 1973. No integrity in positions of leadership. Ryan? McConnell? Don’t make me laugh. Even McCain wussed out when Trump insulted him during the campaign. First Congress has to locate a pair of gonads. Preferably attached to the same person. Not gonna happen. Not even if Trump shoots someone in cold blood on Pennsylvania Avenue. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/265 "2017-05-15T21:04:14Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Its the same thing, imo. And sufficient grounds for termination. In the global scheme of things, I think Comey’s statement on the emails is about as serious an error as is Jeff Session’s omission of having met with the Russian Ambassador. And yet, one was fired, and one was promoted. I wonder why. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/266 "2017-05-15T21:04:51Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Its the same thing, imo. And sufficient grounds for termination. So mis-speaking and within a few days sending a correction is the same thing as lying in your opinion? Ok. Got a good read on the value of your opinions then for future reference. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/267 "2017-05-15T21:05:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Nah. The Republican party of 2017 is not the Republican party of 1973. No integrity in positions of leadership. Ryan? McConnell? Don’t make me laugh. Even McCain wussed out when Trump insulted him during the campaign. > > First Congress has to locate a pair of gonads. Preferably attached to the same person. Not gonna happen. Not even if Trump shoots someone in cold blood on Pennsylvania Avenue. Where were Dem gonads when Bill Clinton committed perjury? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/268 "2017-05-15T21:08:38Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Where were Dem gonads when Bill Clinton committed perjury? If the shoe were truly on the other foot, we’d have the Senate evaluating videotaped statements of Trump saying, “I nailed her… I nailed her… I nailed her twice, and was the best she ever had…” and coming to a conclusion as to whether he has actually slept with any of those women and whether he should be removed from office for his outlandish claims. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/269 "2017-05-15T21:12:20Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Where were Dem gonads when Bill Clinton committed perjury? Got plenty of threads on that other subject buried in the pile-feel free to look them over. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/270 "2017-05-15T21:13:40Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > If the shoe were truly on the other foot, we’d have the Senate evaluating videotaped statements of Trump saying, “I nailed her… I nailed her… I nailed her twice, and was the best she ever had…” and coming to a conclusion as to whether he has actually slept with any of those women and whether he should be removed from office for his outlandish claims. Or Clinton could have been impeached for blatent sexual harassment. But, as we see in threads like these, many of us put politics before principle. Ftr, Trump ought to be made to step down on a threat of impeachment. He isnt good for the nation. But do you really want President Pence? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/271 "2017-05-15T21:18:13Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Ftr, Trump ought to be made to step down on a threat of impeachment. He isnt good for the nation. But do you really want President Pence? You know what I find interesting? I wonder why Republicans **don’t** want President Pence. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/272 "2017-05-15T21:24:16Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > I mean by precedent: > [High crimes and misdemeanors - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors) Notwithstanding the fact that the phrase was used by the English to punish losing a ship by neglecting to moor it, the political reality (as opposed to the legal reach) today is: Congress will need to identify a federal crime, and have probable cause to believe the President is guilty of that federal crime. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/273 "2017-05-15T21:26:19Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Nah. The Republican party of 2017 is not the Republican party of 1973. No integrity in positions of leadership. Ryan? McConnell? Don’t make me laugh. Even McCain wussed out when Trump insulted him during the campaign. > > First Congress has to locate a pair of gonads. Preferably attached to the same person. Not gonna happen. Not even if Trump shoots someone in cold blood on Pennsylvania Avenue. I think you’re saying that even with such evidence, they might not impeach. I agree. I mean that such evidence (probable cause of guilt of a federal criminal statute) is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/274 "2017-05-15T21:30:12Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > You know what I find interesting? I wonder why Republicans **don’t** want President Pence. I think they do want him, it’s just that the process of getting from Trump to Pence will be immensely damaging to the party, at least in the short term. There’s a big mountain to climb between Point A and Point B. If there were a quick and politically painless/harmless way to do it, they’d do it in a heartbeat. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/275 "2017-05-15T21:32:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I think you’re saying that even with such evidence, they might not impeach. > > I agree. I mean that such evidence (probable cause of guilt of a federal criminal statute) is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition. Care to hazard a guess as to what might _be_ sufficient for this Congress to impeach this President? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/276 "2017-05-15T21:34:08Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Its the same thing, imo. And sufficient grounds for termination. I’m in sales, and I make statements to customers all the time. If I make a blatantly incorrect statement to my customers, but then I immediately contact them to correct my error, then that is not lying. But this is a distraction - the question is not whether Comey has ever done things that he shouldn’t have. That’s what the administration is trying to distract everyone with. The question is whether Trump was trying to obstruct the investigation into Russian ties to his campaign. And Trump has admitted that’s what he was doing. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/277 "2017-05-15T21:39:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Care to hazard a guess as to what might _be_ sufficient for this Congress to impeach this President? I can’t do much more than speak in generalities. At a minimum: probable cause, federal criminal law, plus public antipathy. Now wait, I hear you cry. We already have public antipathy! No, not really. Despite sincere and fervent vows in the immediate aftermath of the election to break out of echo chamber bubbles, I think most political commentators are reporting what they see inside their echo chambers, where, indeed, antipathy to Trump boils merrily away. But you asked what I think it would take, and my answer is: antipathy for Trump’s hijinks from the base that elected him. That doesn’t exist. Again, this is my opinion, which you solicited. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/278 "2017-05-15T21:40:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Whatever Congress thinks it is. Whatever Republicans “think” it is. > [@Shodan](#): > > Evidence. Losing an election. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/279 "2017-05-15T21:42:10Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > This is the same kind of party-before-country thinking that I abhor in the Republican party. In no way would I think it’s a good thing just because the sides changed. The Republicans aren’t a party – they are an extremist political faction that has declared war on the Democrats and they are now actively deconstructing institutions that are the bedrock of our constitutional republic. You have to think strategically in order to defeat these…“people”. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327/280 "2017-05-15T21:42:45Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > I’m in sales, and I make statements to customers all the time. If I make a blatantly incorrect statement to my customers, but then I immediately contact them to correct my error, then that is not lying. > > But this is a distraction - the question is not whether Comey has ever done things that he shouldn’t have. That’s what the administration is trying to distract everyone with. The question is whether Trump was trying to obstruct the investigation into Russian ties to his campaign. And Trump has admitted that’s what he was doing. Cite, please. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeach-trump-now/780327.md?page=15)