# Impeachment strategies: Let's help Nancy! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 3, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185 "2019-10-03T01:43:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Turki-lurki](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turki-lurki/32/7168_2.png) [@Turki-lurki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turki-lurki)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/1 "2019-10-03T01:43:41Z")
Exciting times, these. We might be watching a lot of important things unravel.Seems to me the most critical thing is to eject trump from government as quickly as possible without breaking things even more. To this end my wish would be for the House to find a really good spokesperson to communicate 2-4 of the absolute worst charges that can be proved. Everything said on an 8th grade level. Shout the message from the rooftops for a week, then vote in tje House. Make things so clear that the Senate won’t dare give it just lip service. An added bonus move would be keeping Schiff and Biden completely silent throughout the process. What else would work better? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/2 "2019-10-03T01:48:16Z")
What’s wrong with Schiff? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/3 "2019-10-03T02:24:26Z")
I found out yesterday that Schiff managed impeachments of two Federal judges. I don’t think replacing him just because bad orange man says mean things is smart strategy. It isn’t like Pelosi is going to appoint someone to take the lead and Trump is going to say, “Oh yeah, he’s a fair guy, I guess I better get my strong legal arguments together.” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/4 "2019-10-03T02:26:13Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I found out yesterday that Schiff managed impeachments of two Federal judges. I don’t think replacing him just because bad orange man says mean things is smart strategy. It isn’t like Pelosi is going to appoint someone to take the lead and Trump is going to say, “Oh yeah, he’s a fair guy, I guess I better get my strong legal arguments together.” Trump hates him. That’s good enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/5 "2019-10-03T02:31:01Z")
I like Schiff. As was mentioned not only has he overseen impeachment of judges (which I knew nothing about until now, good for him) but he has prosecuted spies and money launderers before. ---
**Author:** ![Turki-lurki](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turki-lurki/32/7168_2.png) [@Turki-lurki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turki-lurki)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/6 "2019-10-03T03:15:23Z")
In general I like him too. Problem is his sarcasm sometimes gets loose at inappropriate times. If you are driving the impeachment of a person who is compromising a national election you don’t do snark. You don’ t say anytthing that can be shown.to be misleading or only partly true. No embellishments for effect. Biden can’t meet that standard and Im not sure Schiff can either. Give us somebody with the gravitas of Walter Kronkheit or Shelby Foote. (Ok I’m old and can’t spell worth a damn). ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/7 "2019-10-03T03:19:41Z")
Let Trump be Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/8 "2019-10-06T18:42:03Z")
> [@alnath](#): > > Exciting times, these. We might be watching a lot of important things unravel.Seems to me the most critical thing is to eject trump from government as quickly as possible without breaking things even more. To this end my wish would be for the House to find a really good spokesperson to communicate 2-4 of the absolute worst charges that can be proved. Everything said on an 8th grade level. Shout the message from the rooftops for a week, then vote in tje House. Make things so clear that the Senate won’t dare give it just lip service. An added bonus move would be keeping Schiff and Biden completely silent throughout the process. > What else would work better? A system in which the unsubstantial people actually had representation rather than the donor class alone, whom “both” sides serve. Let’s recall that Obama took Bush’s 2 wars to 7, we also caged migrant kids then, we also engaged in endless wars of profiteering and occupation, we pulled a coup in Honduras in 2009 which is contributing to migration, we supported as we still do genocide in Gaza and Yemen, and we still had a dysfunctional society in which 4 people had/have more wealth and access to resources than half of the population. I realize Don excites the lizard brains of many, but Don is not THE problem but rather a symptom of a society in decline as a result of inequity and feudalistic hording and redistribution of societal wealth evermore into the hands of our aristocracy. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/9 "2019-10-06T18:47:14Z")
Reported for threadshitting. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/10 "2019-10-06T18:53:43Z")
> [@alnath](#): > > In general I like him too. Problem is his sarcasm sometimes gets loose at inappropriate times. If you are driving the impeachment of a person who is compromising a national election you don’t do snark. You don’ t say anytthing that can be shown.to be misleading or only partly true. No embellishments for effect. Biden can’t meet that standard and Im not sure Schiff can either. Give us somebody with the gravitas of Walter Kronkheit or Shelby Foote. (Ok I’m old and can’t spell worth a damn). No, you will never see anyone like that dispensing information again, by design. Under Clinton the FCC was deregulated. Back in the 1980s there were something on the order of 50 some odd media outlets/companies. Now we’re down to half a dozen major multinational corporations who control ~90% of what americans are exposed to per “information”. > **[Edward Bernays](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays)** > > Edward Louis Bernays (/bɜːrˈneɪz/ bur-NAYZ, .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}German: \[bɛʁˈnaɪs\]; November 22, 1891 − March 9, 1995) was an American pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda, and referred to in his obituary as "the father of public relations". His best-known campaigns include a 1929 effort to promote f Of... Our corporate state media machine is for “managing” the perceptual reality of the population. Older amerians will note we don’t see body bags coming back from all our endless wars; the system learned that lesson from our Nam misadventures. Which “driver” would you suggest? Who is not funded by the donor class? Americans would do well to abandon the notion that some aristocrat will come stand up for them/us when we won’t even do that for ourselves. These people do not lead, they must be drug kicking and screaming into representing the unsubstantial people. And we’ve given them little to be concerned about. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/11 "2019-10-06T18:54:56Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Reported for threadshitting. Who me? Really? Well do go on, tell us all why … ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/12 "2019-10-06T18:58:29Z")
> [@fentoine lum](#): > > who me? Really? Well do go on, tell us all why … Oops, sorry, thought we were in the Pit. nm ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/13 "2019-10-06T19:18:17Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Let Trump be Trump. That will be really, really messy. Better to produce inarguable evidence of Team Tramp’s heinous treason so POTUS and VP both run off to Riyadh for refuge FAST! (Leaving only their minions behind to face the music.) Maybe Moscow Mitch must follow forthwith. But “Tramp being Tramp” is a disaster recipe on steroids. Our question necessarily becomes: How to STOP Tramp from being Tramp? How to keep him from wielding The Power? Must we depend on shaky loyalists to disobey monstrous but legal orders? How to help Speaker Pelosi manage the impeachment process? Leak. Provide evidence. Post it everywhere. Shout from rooftops etc or at least across all media. Will that work? ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/14 "2019-10-06T19:25:23Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Oops, sorry, thought we were in the Pit. > nm Really don’t see what that has to do with anything, but ok. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/15 "2019-10-06T19:28:19Z")
> [@Fentoine\_Lum](#): > > Really don’t see what that has to do with anything, but ok. I had written something else, which may have not been allowed in this forum (but is allowed in the forum we call the “BBQ Pit”)…so I deleted it before the five-minute post edit window ended, and added “nm,” for “never mind.” ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/16 "2019-10-06T19:31:42Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > That will be really, really messy. Better to produce inarguable evidence of Team Tramp’s heinous treason so POTUS and VP both run off to Riyadh for refuge FAST! (Leaving only their minions behind to face the music.) Maybe Moscow Mitch must follow forthwith. > > But “Tramp being Tramp” is a disaster recipe on steroids. Our question necessarily becomes: How to STOP Tramp from being Tramp? How to keep him from wielding The Power? Must we depend on shaky loyalists to disobey monstrous but legal orders? > > How to help Speaker Pelosi manage the impeachment process? Leak. Provide evidence. Post it everywhere. Shout from rooftops etc or at least across all media. Will that work? Well that’s how we got here isn’t it; just keep the spectacle, illusion and Reality America Show exciting, dysfunctional and chaotic. Anything to avoid societal attention on our endless economically cannibalizing wars of aggression, our concentration camps on the border, our half century of societal wealth redistribution/concentration and the decline of the empire. The donor class has no preference for “which” party or personality it rolls out to deny you healthcare and education while 4 people now horde more wealth and access to resources than half of the american population. Expect quite the show. ---
**Author:** ![Fentoine\_Lum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b77776/32.png) [@Fentoine\_Lum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fentoine_Lum)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/17 "2019-10-06T19:33:20Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I had written something else, which may have not been allowed in this forum (but is allowed in the forum we call the “BBQ Pit”)…so I deleted it before the five-minute post edit window ended, and added “nm,” for “never mind.” Yeah I don’t pay attention to any of that, objective reality is what it is. Don’t much gaf where it is “allowed”. So you went a tattling? ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/18 "2019-10-06T19:36:21Z")
> [@alnath](#): > > An added bonus move would be keeping Schiff and Biden completely silent throughout the process. Schiff is chair of the House intelligence committee. The whistleblower is from the intelligence community. The options are ignoring the whistleblower report or pulling Schiff out of the chair position. There’s not really another completely silent option. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/19 "2019-10-06T19:36:50Z")
> [@Fentoine\_Lum](#): > > Yeah I don’t pay attention to any of that, objective reality is what it is. Don’t much gaf where it is “allowed”. > > So you went a tattling? Yes, I reported you for “contributing” something (twice) to this thread that has nothing at all to do with the OP — helping Nancy Pelosi. By responding to you now, I am contributing to the hijack — so I will not respond again. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185/20 "2019-10-06T19:38:00Z")
Honestly I feel like impeachment is a waste of time and more about angry revenge fantasies against Trump than a well thought out strategy. Even if Trump is impeached it’s doubtful he will be removed from office, very doubtful and by the conclusion would most likely be at the very end of his term. I think it would be better to let him finish his term, which he is going to anyway and defeat him in the election, that is a better focus. I think impeachment could actually backfire and possibly even result in another Trump win, if it fires up his base enough. I feel like this is all just political theater when that will accomplish nothing of real substance, better to just suck it up for one more year, he hasn’t done anything that can’t be undone, win the next election, and if appropriate let him face charges from the state level if crimes occurred. I think Trump being impeached, removed from office, and being imprisoned or something by the Feds is nothing but pure fantasy. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/impeachment-strategies-lets-help-nancy/841185.md?page=2)