# Important to Me: Kuzari Principle, or Proof From Mass Revelation

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**Created:** [September 6, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/important-to-me-kuzari-principle-or-proof-from-mass-revelation/552743 "2010-09-06T02:07:14Z")\
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**Author:** ![abele\_derer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@abele\_derer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abele_derer)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/important-to-me-kuzari-principle-or-proof-from-mass-revelation/552743/156 "2010-11-21T19:33:36Z")

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This is my last post, so enjoy if for all it’s worth. I will not respond to most of the points, sorry.

1. Diogenes: 1) How do they know where Kadesh-Barnea is? 2) According to “Aley Masei,” written in Hebrew, the Jews were NEVER in Kadesh-Barnea. Instead, they were “near” Kadesh-Barnea. He says that Kadesh-Barnea was a part of Israel (which the Jews were forbidden to enter), so where the Jews camped could not have been in Kadesh-Barnea. How “near” to Kadesh-Barnea were they? The author says “I don’t know.” Apparently, you do. 3) How long were they at Kadesh-Barnea, or “near” Kadesh-Barnea? According to Rashi, they were there for nineteen years. According to Ibn Ezra, they were there for approximately two months (See Haemek Davar on Deuteronomy Chapter one).

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