# Imus Show Dissing Jill Carroll: WTF??? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 2, 2006, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900 "2006-04-02T02:15:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/41 "2006-04-02T13:33:10Z")
A note on the headscarf: I’m in Iraq and depending on where you are, a lot of Western women (aid workers, journalists, whatever) wear headscarves to blend in. I try dress in a way that I don’t stand out in traffic here. I don’t consider doing so as expressing support of terrorism. If, god forbid, I am taken hostage, please let Imus know that :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/42 "2006-04-02T13:40:00Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Just a quick note. She was wearing the headscarf long before she was abducted. IIRC, she did it out of respect for the muslim tradition. This wasn’t something she just put on because she was kidnapped. > > As for cowardice, she was reporting in a country that - and this may be a bit of an understatement - is not the safest place to spend spring break, though I understand the fireworks are to die for. Seems pretty hardcore to me. Maybe I’m just easily impressed. She also apparently went by the name of “Zanaib” while in Iraq. If she changed her name and manner of dress while in Iraq (before being abducted), how can she be considered an objective journalist? Seriously, if this were 1940, and she called herself “Eva Braun” and wore the Nazi brownshirt, would anyone consider her objective? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/43 "2006-04-02T13:56:20Z")
Once again, a lot of Westerners here adopt habits that lower their profile. It is a safety measure. An Arabic name would draw less attention than a Western name in phone conversations, etc. It would also be easier for an Arabic speaker to say an Arabic name. I have given up on anyone here pronouncing my name correctly. Also, dressing in Arabic clothing and adopting Arabic manner does not in itself convey support of terrorism. Arab=terrorist is not a fair assumption. The vast majority of the victims of terrorism here in Iraq are Iraqis. Get it? ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/44 "2006-04-02T14:02:14Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > **tomndebb** Any chance you might try actually moderating in this thread, rather that joining in the pile-on? > > **Big Bad Voodoo Lou** said I’d be better off dead, and **Little Nemo** called me a troll. > > Do you have any comments on that? ``` I have a comment and obviously I am not a mod, but it seems like anytime anyone says something the majority finds offensive they get labeled "troll". ``` If you actually believe in what you’re saying, and it is against popular opinion here that does not equal troll. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/45 "2006-04-02T14:03:21Z")
Elderly liberals like Imus will attack what they don’t understand. He’s cruel and heartless, but at his advanced age nobody really believes the shit he spews. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/46 "2006-04-02T14:07:17Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > **tomndebb** Any chance you might try actually moderating in this thread, rather that joining in the pile-on? > > **Big Bad Voodoo Lou** said I’d be better off dead, and **Little Nemo** called me a troll. > > Do you have any comments on that? I’ve got one. If you find the comments objectionable, report them. Once you’ve done that, give the mods a chance do do something before you go crying in a thread. > [@](#): > > She also apparently went by the name of “Zanaib” while in Iraq. If she changed her name and manner of dress while in Iraq (before being abducted), how can she be considered an objective journalist? Change of subject. You called her a coward. You didn’t question her objectivity. > [@](#): > > Seriously, if this were 1940, and she called herself “Eva Braun” and wore the Nazi brownshirt, would anyone consider her objective? Isn’t there a law about such comparisons? ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/47 "2006-04-02T14:10:47Z")
> [@zuma](#): > > Elderly liberals like Imus will attack what they don’t understand. He’s cruel and heartless, but at his advanced age nobody really believes the shit he spews. Imus confuddles me. I cannot even really understand what he is saying. And once again, no matter the talk host it is controversy that gets the attention. Whether it is left or right. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/48 "2006-04-02T14:11:06Z")
OMGZ0RS!!! She wore a headscarf! Clearly, anyone who wears a headscarf is a supporter of terrorism, so Jill Carroll, in choosing to put a SCARF on her HEAD (OMG!!!11!!) might as well be named Jill Bin-Laden. In fact, are we sure that’s not the Arabic name she chose to adopt while there? Because certainly the only logical explanation for why a white woman in an Arabic country would want to wear a head scarf and use a name that fit in better with the locals is because she is SECRETLY A TERRORIST working under cover of the CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR! Has anyone investigated THEIR offices lately? :rolleyes: Updike, you are a pathetic fuck. You come into this thread and make the most disgusting, foul, slanderous accusations against someone who survived three months of captivity after having put herself in harm’s way to report events in a hostile country – someone who, by all reports, has more bravery and integrity than you appear to have in your little fingernail – and then when called on what even you, with your few small brain cells desperately trying to grind together to produce a coherent thought, must realize is _total, utter bullshit_, you start crying like a baby on the playground who has his ball taken away and whine to the mods that people are calling you _naaaaaaaaaames_. Grow up, you pathetic slimebag. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/49 "2006-04-02T15:13:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Little Nemo called me a troll This is every bit as factual as your other posts. But, Updike, I’m not going to get in a fight with you. I suspect you’re a young teenager who hasn’t yet realized that getting recognition doesn’t require acting outrageous. My advice to you is to try to contribute to a discussion rather than disrupt it - it’s a better long-term strategy. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/50 "2006-04-02T16:35:09Z")
According to the _CSM_, Jill Carroll customarily wore traditional garb when she was out in public in Iraq. So that part’s a dead-end, Updike. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/51 "2006-04-02T16:42:13Z")
**Little Nemo** , a statement that you are prevented by the rules from identifying the nature of **Updike** ’s posting, but that he is merely seeking attention can only be read (with any objectivity) as a declaration that he is trolling. Please refrain from repeating this sort of claim. **Big Bad Voodoo Lou** , I’m not sure of the exact interpretation of the **Pit** rule rgarding death wishes, but yours does come pretty close to the line if it does not cross it. You should also refrain from such behavior, (although, since you said hung rather than hanged, I will admit that I was not sure of your exact meaning). * * * **Updike** , I do apologize for missing **Big Bad Voodoo Lou** ’s comment, in the wee hours of the morning. On the other hand, **Little Nemo** ’s post occurred subsequent to my last participation in this thread, so I had not even seen it. I am fairly sure that your screen displays a “report this post” button; feel free to use it to get the attention of the Moderators for this Forum. As for the pile-on, you have expressed an egregiously stupid and offensive remark that you have backed up with bad logic, errors of fact, and prejudicial misunderstanding of both American and Iraqi culture. There is no way that I would pass up an opportunity to throw some scorn in your direction. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/52 "2006-04-02T16:45:06Z")
> [@elelle](#): > > This wasn’t some guy that Imus was interviewing, it was his producer. Granted, Imus was playing the “Don’t say that!” persona, but why the Hell would that idiotic piece of trash ever made it to airtime??? Because there are trashy idiots out there who want their idiotic trash. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/53 "2006-04-02T17:58:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Little Nemo, a statement that you are prevented by the rules from identifying the nature of Updike’s posting, but that he is merely seeking attention can only be read (with any objectivity) as a declaration that he is trolling. Please refrain from repeating this sort of claim. Fair enough. The policies of the board on this issue are clear. But I can’t see any way to continue this conversation without mentioning this subject, so I’ll bow out of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/54 "2006-04-02T18:37:18Z")
**Updike** , why are YOU volunteering to go over there and fight? I’d like to see how YOU would react when someone has a gun to your head and is forcing you to simply say some words, in order to save your life. And cite that saying “death to America” is punishable by death. That’s not treason-that would be covered by the first amendment. If she actually ACTED out against the US, rather than being forced to be a mouthpiece for some scumbags, then we can talk. You miserable, hateful, cowardly piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/55 "2006-04-02T18:52:32Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > She also apparently went by the name of “Zanaib” while in Iraq. If she changed her name and manner of dress while in Iraq (before being abducted), how can she be considered an objective journalist? I guess we can add “undercover reporting” to that list of things you don’t know anything about. > [@](#): > > Seriously, if this were 1940, and she called herself “Eva Braun” and wore the Nazi brownshirt, would anyone consider her objective? :rolleyes: Seriously, is this the best you can do? ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/56 "2006-04-02T19:08:03Z")
Since **Updike** thinks voluntarily going by an Arab name is analogous to expressing your allegiance to Nazism, I guess we can add racist piece of shit to all the other kinds of shit **Updike** is. Dude, you really are a fucking waste of carbon. ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/57 "2006-04-02T21:37:18Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Ah, so she’s a coward. Why doesn’t she admit that, and be done with it? While I may not necessarily agree with what **Updike** wrote, I do think that he said something that badly needed to be said. For a long time now, dopers have sought a clear and objective way to identify **Updike** as the lowest, most pig ignorant, pinheaded dumbfuck in Christendom, and to protect his prized position as SDMB pet dunderheaded threadshitting homunculus from doubters and potential usurpers. Now, thanks to his sickeningly, stultifyingly stupid behaviour in this thread, we have found our solution. Thank you, **Updike** , you snide, snivelling, shiteating, proto-fascist cunt, for being altruistic enough to preserve unambiguous proof of your breathtaking idiocy for future generations of dopers. You’re a piss poor excuse for a man. ---
**Author:** ![light\_strand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@light\_strand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/light_strand)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/58 "2006-04-02T22:12:50Z")
Well,lately I’ve been board a work so I’ve been posting to boar for a well known right wing rabid personality (not Rush) and you would not believe the hateful things they’ve said about Carroll. This entire thing makes me really sad. Not because of the specifics of what was said (including sex with he captors) but the very ideas that it was said at all. This rift between right and left sucks donkeys . Really. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/59 "2006-04-02T22:55:45Z")
> [@light strand](#): > > This rift between right and left sucks donkeys . Really. Sounds like the Dems are getting the best of _that_ arrangement, at least. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/60 "2006-04-02T23:34:27Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > **Updike** , I do apologize for missing **Big Bad Voodoo Lou** ’s comment, in the wee hours of the morning. On the other hand, **Little Nemo** ’s post occurred subsequent to my last participation in this thread, so I had not even seen it. > I am fairly sure that your screen displays a “report this post” button; feel free to use it to get the attention of the Moderators for this Forum. > > As for the pile-on, you have expressed an egregiously stupid and offensive remark that you have backed up with bad logic, errors of fact, and prejudicial misunderstanding of both American and Iraqi culture. There is no way that I would pass up an opportunity to throw some scorn in your direction. Tom, I did use the “report this post” button. There was no response, per usual. What do you think is my “misunderstanding” of American culture? 😕 Finally, your last sentence displays a rather obvious bias against me as a poster. By any definition of “moderator” that I’ve ever seen, moderators are supposed to be unbiased, at least as far as their official “actions” or “rulings” go. Can you address these three issues please? Thank you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900.md?page=4)