# Imus Show Dissing Jill Carroll: WTF??? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 2, 2006, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900 "2006-04-02T02:15:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/61 "2006-04-02T23:51:32Z")
Here are some of "Zanaib’'s comments: > [@](#): > > …so I feel guilty and I also feels it shows the difference between the mujahideen and Americans, **the mujahideen are merciful and kind that’s why I’m free and alive. The American army they aren’t.** I feel guilty and I also feel that it just shows that mujahideen are good people, fighting an honorable fight, a good fight while the Americans are here as an occupying force treating the people in a very, very bad way so I can’t be happy totally for my freedom, there are people still suffering in prisons and very difficult situations. I know there’s a bunch of lawyers around here. Is being a “hostage” a positive defense against charges of treason? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/62 "2006-04-02T23:53:03Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > I know there’s a bunch of lawyers around here. Is being a “hostage” a positive defense against charges of treason? Do the words “under duress” mean ANYTHING to you? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/63 "2006-04-02T23:53:42Z")
How is any of that fucking treason, you mother fucker? Speaking against the government does not mean treason, whether it’s sincere or not. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/64 "2006-04-02T23:58:00Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Finally, your last sentence displays a rather obvious bias against me as a poster. By any definition of “moderator” that I’ve ever seen, moderators are supposed to be unbiased, at least as far as their official “actions” or “rulings” go. > > Can you address these three issues please? Thank you. I’m not a moderator, but I agree with what what \*\*George Kaplin \*\* said, the moderator in his last post was really being kind with you and he was clearly not moderating after the lines in his last post. \*\*tomndebb \*\* is only human **Updike** , but you would never understand that. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2006, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/65 "2006-04-02T23:59:58Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > How is any of that fucking treason, you mother fucker? Speaking against the government does not mean treason, whether it’s sincere or not. While in enemy territory, saying that the enemy is “merciful and kind” and that the American heroes are not, smells like treason to me. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/66 "2006-04-03T00:03:23Z")
Perhaps what you’re really smelling is your upper lip. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/67 "2006-04-03T00:04:52Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > \*\*tomndebb \*\* is only human **Updike** , but you would never understand that. Because I’m not even human, in your eyes, right? That’s nice. Have a nice day, yourself. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/68 "2006-04-03T00:05:35Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > While in enemy territory, saying that the enemy is “merciful and kind” and that the American heroes are not, smells like treason to me. The law disagrees with you. She’s not trying to overthrow the government. Even if what she said was sincere (and it fucking WASN’T!), there is nothing inherantly treasonous to say, “The enemy actually treated me just fine. But the US soldiers are committing crimes.” If you can PROVE otherwise, then we can talk. Again, if someone is under duress, if they are being forced at GUN POINT to make a statement, then most reasonable, intelligent individuals are willing to assume that said person isn’t acting of his or her own free will. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/69 "2006-04-03T00:10:58Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > The law disagrees with you. And where did you get your law degree? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/70 "2006-04-03T00:17:19Z")
Same place you got your’s. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/71 "2006-04-03T00:23:27Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > And where did you get your law degree? Hey, dumbfuck, you’re the one who’s alleging that a woman committed “treason.” You’re the one that needs to explain yourself legally. Please explain how any of this woman’s actions meet the legal definition of treason. Just to help you out, [here it is](http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm). > [@](#): > > The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/72 "2006-04-03T00:23:36Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Because I’m not even human, in your eyes, right? That’s nice. No, she’s just suggesting that you don’t understand it, just like you don’t understand what treason means, how to tie your shoelaces, and lots of other things. Even the idiots who started this war are going to be smart enough to realize what she said wasn’t treason. ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/73 "2006-04-03T00:29:39Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Hey, dumbfuck, you’re the one who’s alleging that a woman committed “treason.” You’re the one that needs to explain yourself legally. Please explain how any of this woman’s actions meet the legal definition of treason. Just to help you out, [here it is](http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm). Her statements align with “adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort.” That’s how. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/74 "2006-04-03T00:29:43Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > I know there’s a bunch of lawyers around here. Is being a “hostage” a positive defense against charges of treason? I’m not a lawyer, but I received SERE training of the sort that you would want nothing to do with, and that is in fact a positive defense against charges of treason. The single most important thing is survival, all else is secondary to that, and if the choice is making a statement or dying you make the statement. Period. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/75 "2006-04-03T00:33:35Z")
Hey asshole, erm, Updike. > [@Jill Carroll](#): > > “During my last night in captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video,” she wrote. "They told me they would let me go if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and wanted to go home alive. I agreed. > > “Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not.” > > She even lambasted her captors, who allegedly killed her interpreter, Alan Enwiya, when they abducted her in western Baghdad in January. > > “They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends – and all those around the world, who have prayed so fervently for my release – through a horrific experience,” she wrote. “I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/76 "2006-04-03T00:33:39Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > While in enemy territory, saying that the enemy is “merciful and kind” and that the American heroes are not, smells like treason to me. Good thing Americans gave John McCain and other soldiers a medal instead of the firing squad even after he and others signed a confession admitting that America was doing war crimes, Unlike you \*\*Updike \*\* normal Americans knew then that it was a confession obtained under duress. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/77 "2006-04-03T00:37:41Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Her statements align with “adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort.” Even if **Doors** hadn’t set you straight on this, common sense indicates that being held hostage probably doesn’t count as “adhering” and making statements on pain of death does not count as “aiding.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/78 "2006-04-03T00:47:52Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Her statements align with “adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort.” > > That’s how. Making a statement about how the enemies are good people and the U.S. are not is NOT giving “aid or comfort.” It’s not actively helping them do a goddamned thing, you incoherant cretinous fuckstain. And since said statements were made UNDER FUCKING THREAT OF DEATH, that goes doubly so. Good god, you disgust me. Idiots like you are everything that’s wrong with America. Aiding and giving comfort would entail spying on the U.S., shooting at American soldiers, etc. Hell, it’s a fact that in the past, the U.S. have committed war crimes against people and waged war (if undeclared) on nations who didn’t deserve it. I guess that makes me a traitor, eh? If you had a brain, you’d be dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/79 "2006-04-03T00:54:10Z")
Wow **Updike** is scaring me. Terrorist headgear? Uh-oh…someone help, apparently there are a lot of terrrrrsts here! I see them on the street every day walking around like normal people! Red alert, red alert! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2006, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900/80 "2006-04-03T00:56:31Z")
> [@Updike](#): > > Her statements align with “adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort.” > > That’s how. Wrong. Nothing said under torture or threat of death is a crime. John McCain signed statements under torture. Everybody breaks under torture. Are you a tough guy, **Updik**? Are you immune to torture? Do you think you couldn’t be tortured into saying anything your captors wanted you to say? I’ve give odds that a pussy like you would crack in less than a minute. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/imus-show-dissing-jill-carroll-wtf/350900.md?page=5)