# In A Mirror, Darkly - Part II \[Star Trek Enterprise SPOILERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 29, 2005, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793 "2005-04-29T21:49:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2005, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/1 "2005-04-29T21:49:38Z")
After this is the final arc. Remember, the last two eps will show on the same night, May 13th, (Friday the 13th!? An Omen?) so we have only two more weeks of new Star Trek and then at least two to three years before any possible new series, some estimates at 5 or more years. So, will Manny make us enjoy this ep? Or will it be chock full of over the top hamming and too many self referencing in jokes and nods? (A few are OK, what’s gone on lately is a bit much.) How did a Gorn get on board? Will this MU ep somehow tie back in to franchise canon? (There was no character tie in relating the two universes, simply the NCC -17xx style ship.) Or will it forever stand alone as an exercise in they could’ve done? Stay tuned! ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2005, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/2 "2005-04-29T22:09:40Z")
My fingers are crossed. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/3 "2005-04-29T22:51:37Z")
So, we get a Cinco de Mayo episode, and then a 2fer on Friday the 13th. After that, oblivian… …darkness… …to sleep, perchance to dream… …and Gin and Tonics all around! The final ep actually isn’t part of the next arc, tho it will tie in. It takes place six years after the events of the current timestream, and doesn’t really take place even then, as it will be told in flashback apparantly. Bergama claims it to be an homage for the entire franchise and their statements have an air of resigned finality about them. Whatever comes in the future from Star Trek, it won’t be from anyone now or previously involved in it. It might not even come from Paramount, if some of the other rumors are true. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/4 "2005-04-30T00:03:01Z")
From the teaser… I don’t know whether to praise Malcolm for quick thinking or to nit pick a minor point. In the NX era, they “polarise the hull plating” to help combat the effects of enemy fire. So, was Malcolm being a genius boy to figure out that the Defiant has shields and that they could use them to weaken the docking clamps? or did the writers forgeta minor point of NX canon? “You bet yer aft torpedos!” ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/5 "2005-04-30T00:12:56Z")
YES!! The computer says “Working…” Yoo hoo !!! It appears to be Majel’s voice, too. Not clearly her voice like the TNG computers, but with a slight mechanical edge to it like the TOS computers. The old costumes look funny on these guys. S’Lar! Could that be the Gorn? (On listening to further dialog, it is.) Will they change up the Gorn’s appearance? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/6 "2005-04-30T00:31:34Z")
Vulcans in goatees! The Gorn was changed. A mix of Predator, Aliens, and Jurassic Park. Quantum has some odd visions coming to him. Looks like RU Quantum telling MU Quantum how to be bad. Phlox rocks in both Us. “Shakespeare was equally grim in both universes.” ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/7 "2005-04-30T00:53:13Z")
nice ending good ep ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/8 "2005-04-30T01:08:13Z")
Wow. The Hoshi Fan Club will be ecstatic! Plenty of hammy death scenes. I’m surprised Soval didn’t scream “AAAAAARRRRRCHERRRRRRRR!!!”, just to add another wink to the old crew. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/9 "2005-04-30T01:22:04Z")
I really like the way they kept it at zero interaction with the other Uni people. All Anti, all the time. ('Cept fopt eh Defiant, of course) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/10 "2005-04-30T01:42:57Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Vulcans in goatees! > > The Gorn was changed. A mix of Predator, Aliens, and Jurassic Park. Now we need an episode about the virus the Gorn caught. :smack: The Ambassador in a Spokesque goatee fellated. Better than last week, though. Mrs. Plant and I noted that we had no interest in how the resolution of the episode; these aren’t “our” characters, and won’t effect any Trek plots. I did think that since Archer helps found the Federation in “our” universe, he would have some effect on the Empire in his. An interesting ending despite out lack of interest; it could afford to be amusing. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/11 "2005-04-30T03:44:03Z")
Long live Empress Hoshi I! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/12 "2005-04-30T05:33:43Z")
> [@The Mad Hermit](#): > > Wow. The Hoshi Fan Club will be ecstatic! I need details. ---
**Author:** ![Gamaliel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b487fb/32.png) [@Gamaliel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gamaliel)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/13 "2005-04-30T05:35:10Z")
Leave it to the makers of Enterprise to follow up their only fantastic episode with one as dull as dirt. The Gorn was cool. Until we actually saw it. ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/14 "2005-04-30T12:07:56Z")
> [@Gamaliel](#): > > Leave it to the makers of Enterprise to follow up their only fantastic episode with one as dull as dirt. > > heh, it was all worth it. We got to see Hoshi in bikini underwear! For a second, while she was killing the captain in bed… Lucky for her she didn’t mix up the champagne glasses. Sigh. I like Hoshi and I like how Hoshi looks. This wasn’t a good ending. > > The Gorn was cool. Until we actually saw it. yes, and the big bad Gorn brought down, literally, by someone moving a slider a few notches to increase the grav plating force. Nice trick though. just think of all the times in all the series a battle, escape, security alert, etc could have been easily settled just by increasing the gravity on a few key floor panels… Too bad only one enterprise captain ever thought of it. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/15 "2005-04-30T20:57:42Z")
Can we get back to what’s important, people? Why’m I going to be ecstatic? I need in-depth spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2005, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/16 "2005-05-01T00:41:31Z")
The original Gorn was better. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2005, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/17 "2005-05-01T02:28:57Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I need in-depth spoilers. Wait a couple of days and the DVD will be in the mail. Remember when I lied to you : “She’s naked most of the time and says things like ‘Damn, I wish Aes were here! That hot young stud rocks my world!’”? Subsitute every other males name for Aes and you got it. Hoshi is Forest’s mistress. Archer’s actions lead to Forest’s death. Hoshi becomes Archer’s mistress. The plan, by Admiral whatshisname was to steal Defiant brought from “our” universe and future by the Tholians. Archer imprisons Forest, Captain of Enterprise. While Archer and a boarding party are stealing Defiant, the Tholians destroy Enterprise and Forest dies. Various crew escape including one pissed off Hoshi. Archer uses Enterprise to defy Admiral Whatshisname and declare himself Emperor. Hoshi poisions his hooch in league with Mayweather and declares herself empress. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/18 "2005-05-01T02:40:52Z")
**!!!** ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2005, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/19 "2005-05-01T03:02:36Z")
Does that mean you pay the postage this time? ^ :dubious: ^ ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2005, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/20 "2005-05-01T07:01:02Z")
Damn my local UPN station! Friday night they had a baseball game on, so I had to wait until Saturday at 6 PM to catch the second part of the MU show. I really liked how they re-did the opening and closing sequences for the MU, although I didn’t particularly care for the music. I feel compelled to admit, though, that one of my very favorite things about Enterprise has been that they have used my family name as the name of one of the characters. 😛 Can’t say which one, though, without revealing a bit too much about myself personally (drat!). Even though it is a fairly common name (hey, there was an episode of “Kojak” that had a character with my first & last name!!!), it does personalize it a bit when you hear the characters calling your name, so to speak. 😃 I am really going to miss having ST, but at least I have many of the shows on tape. My prayer now is that whenever they put together the next show - and there -will- be another series - that they DO IT THE RIGHT WAY … and don’t let Berman and Braga -anywhere- near it. PLEASE!!! That is all. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793.md?page=2)