# In A Mirror, Darkly - Part II \[Star Trek Enterprise SPOILERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 29, 2005, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793 "2005-04-29T21:49:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/61 "2005-05-05T21:10:52Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > What does it mean, “dream in a shower”? > ^ :dubious: ^ [Kara] “Dream and dream, what is dream?” [/Kara] ---
**Author:** ![NE\_Texan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e99b99/32.png) [@NE\_Texan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NE_Texan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2005, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/62 "2005-05-05T23:26:24Z")
You know, on this board, with this topic, I should have known exactly where that comment would go… … and I see I wasn’t disappointed! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2005, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/63 "2005-05-06T03:56:05Z")
[For the love of Q](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=315214) ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2005, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/64 "2005-05-07T01:29:36Z")
I got the latest DVD yesterday and watched it today and wasn’t that impressed with the episodes. With that being said, Empress Sato made them worth my while despite preferring our universe’s Hoshi. The coverall and ponytail are so much hotter than the halter top and glamour 'do. The panties and negliges, on the other hand… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2005, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/65 "2005-05-07T02:03:34Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > The panties and negliges, on the other hand… Were damned cheap looking. Wal-Mart, not Victoria’s Secret. Is there a thread for tonight’s episode? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2005, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/66 "2005-05-07T02:20:05Z")
The TV at work is about fifteen feet away so I never got a great look and I wasn’t looking at the clothes anyway. I think I saw a thread further down the forum but I’m not entirely certain. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2005, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/67 "2005-05-07T07:13:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Tragically, Hoshi and her family were among the four thousand people who died on Tarsus Four in 2246 when a food shortage caused by an exotic fungus threatened the colony’s population. Governor Kodos ordered the deaths of Sato and the others in order to save the rest of the colony. She was buried in Kyoto with her husband, Takashi Kimura. More [here](http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=4380530#Post4380530) ☹ ---
**Author:** ![spiralscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@spiralscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spiralscratch)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2005, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/68 "2005-05-07T08:57:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Governor Kodos ordered the deaths of Sato and the others in order to save the rest of the colony. Don’t blame me, I voted for Kang. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2005, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/69 "2005-05-07T13:06:25Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > More [here](http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Number=4380530#Post4380530) ☹ Does that work chronologically? Was Kodos old enough in “The Conscience of the King” to have killed Hoshi? How much later than the “present” is 2246? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2005, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/70 "2005-05-07T14:50:41Z")
ENT is in the 2150s The Tarsus crises was 2246 TOS begins in 2265 Seems to be a nit, unless Hoshi was over 100. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2005, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/71 "2005-05-07T20:23:54Z")
She’d be ancient but it could happen. Some humans today live to be 110 or older and medical science is going to make it easier for more and more to do so. We also have the McCoy precedent, even though it was two hundred years in Hoshi’s future. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2005, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/72 "2005-05-07T20:53:23Z")
I want to post, “Even as it dies, they try and tie it to ‘real’ Trek with name dropping”, but that would be tacky. ^ :dubious: ^ ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2005, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/73 "2005-05-09T14:14:25Z")
At least the on-screen biographies each include a picture of Archer and Hoshi young and just as we know them. Not old, or at the end of the NX-01 mission, or ambassadorship, or presidency, or at some other important point in life - but just as we see them now in season 4. And Archer is even scowling. Ah, it’s like old times! From the bio:[ul][_]Yeah, born in “Upstate New York” is what I want written on my bio. Not anything as silly as an actual city.[_]“Charming; bold; a born explorer.” :dubious:Jonathan Archer grew up dreaming of the day when he would get to go “where no man has gone before.” ;)[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2005, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/74 "2005-05-09T14:21:43Z")
> [@Corner CaseJonathan Archer grew up dreaming of the day when he would get to go "where no man has gone before." ;)\[/list](#): > Hillary Duff? ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2005, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/75 "2005-05-09T14:26:24Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Hillary Duff? Or possibly [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=315214) _[sub]… runs for cover …[/sub]_ ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2005, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/76 "2005-05-09T14:31:25Z")
At least that thread is funny. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2005, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/77 "2005-05-09T14:38:41Z")
“Archer seemed to leap from one career to another as he…” ---
**Author:** ![NE\_Texan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e99b99/32.png) [@NE\_Texan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NE_Texan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2005, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-a-mirror-darkly-part-ii-star-trek-enterprise-spoilers/301793/78 "2005-05-09T14:59:13Z")
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