# In defence of Russia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166 "2022-08-06T00:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/281 "2022-08-26T06:24:07Z")
I have never heard of “[ePrimefeed](https://eprimefeed.com/)” before, but looking it over, it’s clearly a Russian propaganda site masquerading as news. Everything is anti-Ukrainian or propping up Russia (like a story about Steven Seagal celebrating his 70th birthday in Moscow). Seriously, you have to really be deep into the Russian apologist hole to dig up this bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/282 "2022-08-26T06:27:22Z")
Yeah, I was about to suggest posting in the original thread, but I looked at that site, too. Definitely belongs here. Makes me wonder about his real motivation. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/283 "2022-08-26T06:33:36Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > And as usual, Cervaise, an insightful comment. Hey! Congrats! Not every post of yours in this thread is a steaming pile! ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/284 "2022-08-26T06:35:52Z")
I know! I have so many fans! ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/285 "2022-08-26T06:46:30Z")
Yeah it is a weird site to find it. But I do recall reading about it on another one too. But if the article names the source, that at least moves it a step up in being true. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/286 "2022-08-26T06:47:59Z")
He appears in videos on this Youtube site. > **[Media Center Ukraine - Ukrinform](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLocFngfmsWdDFkm4j7gpGQ/videos)** > > Media Center Ukraine - Ukrinform (Kyiv) and Media Center Ukraine (Lviv) is the main communication platform of the country operating in two cities. > > The Media Center was established as a public initiative of communication specialists, with the support... But I have not yet found one here where he states it. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/287 "2022-08-26T06:58:16Z")
Found the video. At 5:45 he mentions the same numbers as Military Summary channel. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/jdlvXfMr7-I/hqdefault.jpg "Yuriy Ignat, Spokesperson for the Air Force Command of Ukraine’s Armed Forces") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdlvXfMr7-I) But again. He does not seem particularly concerned about it. Does not elaborate on it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/288 "2022-08-26T07:40:46Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > but looking it over You get to the bottom of the page and see, > ABOUT US > Eprimefeedis your news, entertainment, music fashion website. We provide you with the latest breaking news and videos straight from the entertainment industry. which really gives one confidence that this, THIS, is a news site to trust! ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/289 "2022-08-26T07:57:19Z")
Well the video link I posted shows that in this case Eprimefeed was correct. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/290 "2022-09-15T00:15:40Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Lets look at the facts. > Ukraine is steadily losing ground. Not due to the caliber of it’s military, which is excellent. But due to being on the negative side of military facts. > The biggest fact being supply. Shortages are wearing down the front line fighters. The artillery imbalance is terrible. The majority of Ukraine artillery is Russian caliber ammo. Russian artillery. Supply is running out. Obviously Russia is not going to sell/donate to them. Western donations are too little. Even Ukraine official releases note this. A large imbalance of shells fired in artillery exchanges, that favor the Russians. now those **facts** did age a bit like milk … ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/291 "2022-09-15T01:05:19Z")
Yeah, I was looking for the update with the twist ending. Still waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/292 "2022-09-15T01:10:40Z")
Obviously, Russia is not going to sell/donate them; they generously abandoned artillery shells - and tanks - and artillery - and all kinds of military hardware as lend-lease to Ukraine when they routed. You don’t even need to understand Ukrainian to burst out laughing when the speaker says “lend-lease” while showing off the piles of ammo boxes the Russians abandoned at 2:45 in this clip. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/SGu8AhMKIQo/maxresdefault.jpg "Ukrainian army shows off 'war trophies' of abandoned Russian equipment, weapons and ammo") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGu8AhMKIQo) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/293 "2022-09-15T19:23:40Z")
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the deal is with those bags at 2:12 in the video? They have English writing on them (“Grow How Power?”) ETA: found the answer to my own question. It’s Finish fertilizer. [Kemira GrowHow - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemira_GrowHow) . The bags were probably left over from the previous owner of the storage building before the Russians took over. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/294 "2022-09-15T19:34:16Z")
> [@JohnGalt](#): > > Yeah, I was looking for the update with the twist ending. Still waiting. The readers of The Sun want to know who can run faster? Russian combat troops or Josh Hawley…? [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUIfrkPmLVY) ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2022, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/295 "2022-09-17T03:25:38Z")
Kharkiv offensive regained a great amount of territory and gave Russia a black eye on more than one front. But I feel it was not worth it. Tactically the area was not that important to either side. Russia was lightly defending it. Ukraine did not need to concern itself with it yet. But it did require continuing attention from both sides. I think Ukraine forces were better used to the south, than to regain this territory now. Ukraine forces were diverted from other areas to stage the offensive. Which was noted ahead of time. It succeeded, but I think it cost too much. Russia lost lots of territory, but did not lose enough personnel or material to balance the cost to Ukraine forces. In Kharkiv, or in being shorted in other areas. But it does not seem that Ukraine forces will need to be in place there in large numbers going forward, to defend it. That is good. They can be redeployed south. It has freed up at least one North South supply line. Offensive operations are very risky for Ukraine due to the supply and personnel levels. They must succeed at very low loss levels. And the territory gained be able to be held without too much extra material and personnel. It continues to be a quantity war. This favors the Russians so far. More distant strike capability is getting to the Ukraine forces, but in less quantity than Russia already has in place. Front line artillery quantity is still in favor of the Russians. This makes offense and defense an incredibly tight tactical war for Ukraine. Foreign intelligence sources are helping a lot. But actual material is still an issue. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2022, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/296 "2022-09-17T03:45:16Z")
never mind ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2022, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/297 "2022-09-17T03:50:22Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > But I feel it was not worth it. Of course you do 🙂. I just deleted a ever-lengthening post about basic elements of military strategy not to mention the morale and propaganda values of victories like this. Because jeez, why bother? > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > never mind Right? ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2022, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/298 "2022-09-17T03:52:38Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > But I feel it was not worth it. You may not feel that’s the case, but the Russian troops involved in the conquering of the Donetsk region feel quite differently, as they depended heavily on both the rail and highways which happened to run from the principal theater supply center in Belgorad, through Kupyansk, south to the troops in Donetsk. Not just tactically, but operationally, this alone will significantly lengthen the Russians logistical train. As Napolean once put it ‘amateurs discuss tactics, the professionals discuss logistics.’ So far Ukrainian successes in this war have largely been owing to Russian logistical failures. First, when Russians were unable to maintain the supply lines necessary to encircle Kiev, and next when a handful of HIMARS trucks managed to destroy scores of supply depots, and bridges. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2022, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/299 "2022-09-17T03:52:49Z")
I noted that it causes more than just territory losses for Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2022, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/300 "2022-09-17T04:02:29Z")
Wow that’s a dumb take. I’ll admit I’m actually surprised that you managed to be this over-the-top in your tankie-ness. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=16)