# In defence of Russia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166 "2022-08-06T00:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/321 "2022-09-18T00:25:59Z")
I see. It’s not naked Russian aggression fueled by Putin’s fantasy of leading a restored Soviet Union. It’s a Great Power Dominance Scheme in which the U.S., France, the U.K. and basically everyone else but China benefit enormously if evil Ukraine threatens the sanctity of Russia’s borders. Very strange. Even if I think in short choppy sentences. Or get my news from “objective” YouTube sources. It makes no sense. Try try again. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/322 "2022-09-18T00:26:00Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > I don’t find anything about war funny. This in no way whatsoever explains your trolling on this issue. Trolling, by defition, is done for the amusement of the troller. For some inane reason, you have decided that this particular war, an unjustifiable war which you continute to attempt to justify, is the theme of your trolling. That means you find it quite the fodder for your humor. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/323 "2022-09-18T00:43:10Z")
It seems quite obvious that the huge mass of memes and the replies to the memes are for peoples amusement. My posts are not. Looking at my posts, versus others, I do not resort to denigration of the folks actually dying in this war on either side. I do not make light of situations where people are dying, losing or gaining territory, material. I don’t post some information with intent of, hah, hah, my side kicked ass! No. I post it as possible fact. Hoping that others will post back other possible alternate fact. Hopefully with some interesting opinion regarding the facts. I am not trolling these threads. I tune in each day hoping for some good information. I add what I think might be good information. Most days I find a long string of memes… ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/324 "2022-09-18T00:48:48Z")
I seriously cannot. Read any more posts. By KediKat. This incredibly disjointed writing style. It makes my brain hurt. They cannot seem to include. More than 5 words in a sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/325 "2022-09-18T00:52:27Z")
As opposed to the great number of elaborate orations elsewhere in this thread? It is the BBQ pit. Put whatever effort you wish into it. Dis it as you please. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/326 "2022-09-18T00:56:40Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Do any of you actually look at them? Most of us have learned that you’re either a dummy or an activist troll, and either way your cites are worthless. So no, because we are not fond of wasting our time on bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/327 "2022-09-18T00:58:25Z")
You should not speak for others on this particular question. But noted that you choose to ignore the sources. Thanks for reply to it. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/328 "2022-09-18T01:02:15Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > I add what I think might be good information. You add garbage. Lies and conspiracy theories. Not of your own creation, but you believe them and pass them on. You’re like the guy repeating the latest Batboy story from _Weekly World News_ and trying to convince everyone that Elvis and Bigfoot really are living in a Las Vegas casino, waiting for UFOs to return to take them to Stonehenge for the return of Jesus (who is actually a lizard man from the center of the Earth). ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/329 "2022-09-18T01:04:46Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Or do you just write them off as propaganda and ignore them completely? This. If you can’t tell just from the title of the videos how far up Putin’s asshole the video makers are, you’ve got something majorly wrong with you. See The New Atlas titles for some real spin doctoring: Ukraine’s Offensives: Tactical Victory can Contribute to Strategic Defeat; Kharkov Offensive 2.0: Winning Headlines Today, Hastening Defeat for Tomorrow. You don’t need to sit through 20-45 minute long videos to know he’s full of shit. I’m not going to give him clicks, and don’t need to waste 20 minutes of my life to know that NATO isn’t running out of 155mm shells to send to Ukraine any time this century. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/330 "2022-09-18T01:05:35Z")
Regarding the Military Summary Channel. At first I felt him to be more neutral. But in particular, after Ukraine forces took back Kharkiv territory I saw he was spinning at high RPM to favor Russian side of the situation. But the map analysis still remained stubbornly factual. So I tend to give less weight to his personal opinions overall. But give more to what the maps tell. Overall, I still like the information, but filter out his pro Russian spin on negative Russian facts on the maps. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/331 "2022-09-18T01:07:22Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > You should not speak for others on this particular question. _Poll ([view on site](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/331))_ ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/332 "2022-09-18T01:09:40Z")
That was not the question. But it is the Pit. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/333 "2022-09-18T01:14:15Z")
I am looking at this on many levels. Very disturbing on many levels. As is the social and other media output on so many subjects these days. Both official and the crowd source. We are in a new era of propaganda, manipulation. Another level of warfare that I am watching. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/334 "2022-09-18T01:15:50Z")
Funny you did that. I was considering putting the info sources into a poll too. Well played. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/335 "2022-09-18T01:16:48Z")
And now you know why nobody is buying the shit you’re shoveling. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/336 "2022-09-18T01:25:32Z")
I don’t care who believes what I say. I cannot be sure of it being factual. Neither can others. I see some information. Wonder if it is real. Present it to the folks. Hoping for good retort to confirm or deny it. There are times when it is just factual at source. But the repercussions of those facts are unknown. So it is good to gather opinions with maybe more facts. The replies to my posts are too often just knee jerk, simplistic, jingoist. But there are some good ones. So I will keep posting in hopes of getting good information in reply. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/337 "2022-09-18T01:34:16Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Hoping for good retort to confirm or deny it. The retort is always “you have no credibility, your sources are shit, stop wasting everyone’s time.” And yet despite the fact that you get no neutral discussion, you keep returning and shoveling your horseshit like it’s golden wisdom. Hence your motives are highly suspect. A normal person would recognize they’re not getting any traction and leave. But here you are, day after day, doggedly offering garbage that’s either Russia-friendly or explicitly Russian-produced. Why, oh why, would you keep doing this? You’re putting shit on a plate, everyone can see it’s shit, and you say you’re confused why nobody is hungry for it. Go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/338 "2022-09-18T02:07:26Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > The retort is always “you have no credibility, your sources are shit, stop wasting everyone’s time.” That is unfortunate. But a very few do post more useful thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/339 "2022-09-18T02:33:11Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > I saw he was spinning at high RPM to favor Russian side of the situation. This is how we see you. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/340 "2022-09-18T02:37:36Z")
Of course ignore that I elaborated how I filter my reliance on his information due to my noting this. Leaving out facts and words can distort the information. Such as trolls do… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=18)