# In defence of Russia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166 "2022-08-06T00:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/441 "2022-10-31T01:45:00Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > But of course, that’s exactly like being told not to post any more Russian disinformation in a Straight Dope breaking news thread. Somehow, I get the impression Kedikat would be more comfortable posting in front of a storm (if you get my drift). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/442 "2022-10-31T12:10:44Z")
“Help! I’m being persecuted by being held accountable for my actions!” is always a fun flex. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/443 "2022-10-31T15:12:25Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I object to your framing of the war as a battle of two sides of even standing. It is not. Russia is the bad guy, clearly and indisputably. They have invaded a sovereign nation; their entire war effort is criminal. Ukraine is the one being attacked; everything they do is justified as self-defense. > > The idea that Ukraine should negotiate would be laughable were it not so offensive. Ukraine should not give one single inch, and Russia should be punished for decades to come. When you post things like idly wishing that Ukraine hadn’t done something to mess up negotiations, it is offensive. This. Russia is the ultimate douchebag in this invasion they instigated. Russia was unprovoked and invaded a sovereign nation. Russia needs to get the fuck out. No negotiations. Get the fuck out. Putin is the world’s largest piece of shit. People supporting and pushing his propaganda are right there with him. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/444 "2022-10-31T15:33:52Z")
Some also seem to keep forgetting that there were negotiations with Russia, which were characterized by Russia breaking the ceasefires and [potentially poisoning delegation members](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/28/abramovich-and-ukrainian-mp-may-have-been-poisoned-this-month). ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/445 "2022-10-31T15:38:18Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Some also seem to keep forgetting that there were negotiations with Russia Russian apologists have three basic angles: 1. Ukraine is a Nazi state. 2. NATO!!! 3. Why won’t the USA / NATO /Ukraine negotiate? All these are idiotic and a stack of lies, but the third is especially bizarre. You can find PICTURES, online, of the negotiations Ukraine and Russia had early in the war. You can look up the positions of the two parties, and you can plainly see Russia wasn’t interested in real negotiations. All of this is a public record. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/446 "2022-11-01T02:37:20Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Some also seem to keep forgetting that there were negotiations with Russia, which were characterized by Russia breaking the ceasefires and [potentially poisoning delegation members](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/28/abramovich-and-ukrainian-mp-may-have-been-poisoned-this-month). Also forgetting Ukraine seemed to do better than Russia there too. Succeeding in assasinating one of their own negotiators. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/447 "2022-11-01T02:48:17Z")
Do you mean the Russian spy who was killed during his arrest? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/448 "2022-11-01T02:52:26Z")
Pathetic. You’re getting even more idiotic. Shouldn’t you be pivoting now from “Ukrainians are all Nazis” bullshit. to the next bullshit line of Putins? Try to keep up with the propaganda, comrade. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/449 "2022-11-01T04:34:42Z")
Here, I’ll help with the propaganda. The war is clearly a defensive one on the part of the Russians, why else would everyone’s favorite Russian neo-nazi PMC be building defensive lines inside (actual) Russian territory? [Wagner PMC now builds anti-tank fortifications in Russia’s Belgorod Oblast](https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/10/23/wagner-pmc-now-builds-anti-tank-fortifications-in-russias-belgorod-oblast/). > But now it is being built not only in the occupied territories, but also in Russia’s Belgorod Oblast, as one of the leaders of Wagner PMC Andrey Bogatov told on camera in a video showing the placement of concrete anti-tank pyramids in what was said to be Belgorod Oblast. Of course, given the rampant corruption in the Russian kleptocracy, [alternate explanations have arisen](https://en.defence-ua.com/news/wagners_line_is_created_by_the_russians_in_belgorod_oblast_can_these_white_pyramids_become_a_potent_defense_line-4619.html), bolding mine: > Although, unlike in the Luhansk region where the “wagnerovites” installed [two rows of anti-tank concrete blocks](https://en.defence-ua.com/news/russians_are_trying_to_create_the_dragons_teeth_anti_tank_defense_line_20_km_deep_into_the_front_line-4526.html) and made an anti-tank ditch, in the Belgorod Oblast they only put some pyramids and that’s it. > > Also, as we can see, the russians use civilian equipment and civilian contractors for the works. In particular, the name and phone number of the “Spets-City” company is clearly visible in one frame; this enterprise is located in Voronezh and provides special equipment for rent, including orange KamAZ vehicles like the one in the video. > > Moreover, the stability of such a defense directly depends on its depth and echeloning. Even the anti-tank blocks, the so-called “dragon’s teeth” in the West, require a concrete foundation underneath them. > > Of course, even such a sloppy line of defense should not be underestimated, it can really undermine combat operations. **But so far it seems that the creation of such lines of pyramids, especially in the Belgorod region, is more like the usual russian money laundering.** ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/450 "2022-11-01T05:14:00Z")
What do you gain, personally, from telling these asinine lies here? AFAIK, Russia hasn’t adopted China’s 50 cent army M.O., so you’re not doing this for financial gain. It can’t be your a conspiracy nut, because that requires you to believe in a conspiracy theory. The only evidence for that is that you’re an anti-semite, and that’s proven by your repetition of Putin’s propoganda. So, you’re not a conspiracy nut; you’re a propagandist. And you’re incredibly bad at that. You repeat propaganda that is not only ridiculous, but completely offensive. Putin’s rationale (actually, his excuse) for taking over Ukraine this time was to “save the Urkainians from their Nazi government”. He didn’t pull that nonsense when he attacked and occupied the Crimea. Now he’s doing it because he knows how reviled Nazis are by decent people and decent governments. But since the president of Ukraine is Jewish, that’s an incredibly offensive charge to level. Of course there’s no evidence for anything that Putin says, and definitely not for this. So, out with it. What do you gain by posting the lies you post here? Is it for the thrill of attention? Is it just to rile up the crowd? Go ahead. Admit it. You’re here to troll. Confess and accept the consequence. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/451 "2022-11-01T09:12:48Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Succeeding in assasinating one of their own negotiators. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/452 "2022-11-01T14:24:21Z")
Kedikat, tell us how the evil West converted a grain carrying ship into a warship, and gave it stealth technology so it could sneak up to the innocent Russian warships who were not at all firing missiles into civilians. Come one man! You have to up your game here! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/453 "2022-11-01T14:35:56Z")
Hey, at least he’s conceded that negotiations were held and that Russia did poison members of the delegation. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/454 "2022-11-01T14:37:42Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What do you gain, personally, from telling these asinine lies here? Kedikat seems to be hoping that by emphasizing or inventing Ukraine’s vulnerabilities and spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt about its motives, Dopers en masse will become disheartened and urge their representatives and the Biden administration to cut support for Ukraine. Played out along a broad social media front, this will bring the war to a satisfying conclusion favoring the noble-minded ex-Sovietskys. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/455 "2022-11-01T16:43:33Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Russian apologists have three basic angles: > > 1. Ukraine is a Nazi state. > 2. NATO!!! > 3. Why won’t the USA / NATO /Ukraine negotiate? Kedikat really needs to keep up with the times here. As of last week, Ukraine is not a Nazi state anymore. It’s full of SATANIST COVENS! Come on Kedikat! Tell us about the satanic worshipers in Ukraine, and how Russia is morally justified here. > **[Russian Politician Calls for ‘Desatanization’ of Ukraine](https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxn79y/russian-politician-calls-for-desatanization-of-ukraine)** > > Russian politicians and media are increasingly telling the story that Ukraine is actually full of Satanic covens. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/456 "2022-11-01T16:49:10Z")
Tell us about the biolabs, Unca Kedikat! ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/457 "2022-11-01T17:14:11Z")
The Russian Ambassador to the UN has [informed the security council](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/combat-mosquitoes-dirty-bomb-russian-151700522.html), apparently with a straight face, that one of Russia’s concerns is US/Ukraine work on drones to release mosquitoes infected with virulent diseases. Combat mosquitoes? As usual, the Russians are making stuff up. Everyone knows the Royal Air Force was the principle user of combat mosquitoes: [![](https://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Mossie1200_480.jpg) ](https://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Mossie1200_480.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/458 "2022-11-01T17:18:20Z")
Prepare for Russia to release infected Mosquitos this spring. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/459 "2022-11-01T17:37:36Z")
Mosquitos? No. Biological warfare? Quite possibly. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/460 "2022-11-01T20:29:24Z")
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