# In defence of Russia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166 "2022-08-06T00:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/481 "2022-11-02T12:25:27Z")
I’ve grown to accept that any measures to combat racism and religious intolerance is going to be met with accusations that you are The Real Nazi ™. Ironically, including an attempt by the school to punish kids who spray panted a number of swastikas and “kill the [slur for Jews]” in the bathrooms. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/482 "2022-11-02T12:43:25Z")
I agree these are stupid things to say. And stupid ideas. More war is not the answer. The current war isn’t the answer. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/483 "2022-11-02T13:07:22Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > I agree these are stupid things to say. And yet you keep saying stupid things. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/484 "2022-11-02T15:10:28Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Both sides, Arrawwwk! Both sides! Both sides! Araaawwwwk! A trained parrot would do better. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/485 "2022-11-02T15:33:15Z")
Seems the folks who started it could end it pretty easily. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/486 "2022-11-02T15:38:09Z")
True, but that would require Putin not be the world’s largest asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/487 "2022-11-02T15:42:24Z")
Without any recompense for the blood and treasure they have expended to save the world from the Nazis? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/488 "2022-11-02T15:57:33Z")
Well, you have to admit that, post-invasion, the Nazi’s are not in power in Ukraine. Nor are there any wild elephants rampaging through the countryside, so that is two successes for Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/489 "2022-11-02T16:01:27Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > That would usually be “communist” or “socialist.” True enough. And then you’ve also got the ‘the Nazis were actually commies’ crowd as well (even some on the SDMB!) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/490 "2022-11-02T16:21:18Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > And then you’ve also got the ‘the Nazis were actually commies’ crowd as well (even some on the SDMB!) Socialists, because it’s right in the name. Also, North Korea is a democracy because it’s in the name. East Germany was also a democracy because it was in the name. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/491 "2022-11-02T16:24:50Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Also, North Korea is a democracy because it’s in the name. East Germany was also a democracy because it was in the name. I’m so glad that here in the USA, we are completely united! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/492 "2022-11-02T16:30:38Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Arrawwwk! Both sides! Both sides! Araaawwwwk! Kedikat could find a way to “both sides” a Möbius strip. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/493 "2022-11-02T16:50:59Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’m so glad that here in the USA, we are completely united! I see the joke, but the states are, in fact, united into a country. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/494 "2022-11-02T16:54:17Z")
I think that this actually describes Kedikats behavior better than his being a Russian plant. He’s a radical centrist. He believes that given two arguments the right answer is always right in the middle, so if a college professor says 3_6=18 and first grader says 3_6=36 he concludes that 3\*6 is probably some where around 27. He comes across as a Russian stooge because we already cover the reality based side of the discussion so he mostly pipes up to promote the disinformation side in order to keep the balance. He just doesn’t seem to understand that the two sides aren’t always equally valid. While all sources have some bias, they are not all equally biased, and the Russian sources go beyond bias into propaganda and outright fabrication. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/495 "2022-11-02T17:32:58Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I think that this actually describes Kedikats behavior better than his being a Russian plant. He’s a radical centrist. > … > > He comes across as a Russian stooge because we already cover the reality based side of the discussion so he mostly pipes up to promote the disinformation side in order to keep the balance. I don’t think he’s a Russian plant, either, but I do think he’s a moron with strong pro-Russia sympathies. He was mod-noted twice in the MPSIMS thread by two different mods, and then finally thread-banned by a third. I don’t really care what his motivations are, he’s a Russian stooge by virtue of peddling blatant disinformation. I can only imagine what he does elsewhere on the interwebs where there’s less moderation. He’s probably championing Trump, too, because Putin is the orange shit-stain’s bestest buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/496 "2022-11-02T17:37:12Z")
But it’s so _easy_ to take the word out of context. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/497 "2022-11-02T17:38:23Z")
Or just somebody who feels compelled to feel superior by virtue of ‘secret knowledge’ that the rest of us with our traditional news sources are too blind to see. Whatever the case, a distinction without much difference. In the end, willingly or knowingly or not, he peddles in mis- and disinformation and not very well. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/498 "2022-11-02T18:29:51Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > if a college professor says 3_6=18 and first grader says 3_6=36 I’m going to have to side with the first grader on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/499 "2022-11-02T18:34:31Z")
Damn discourse formatting turning my \* into _italaics_. Should be 3\*6 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/500 "2022-11-02T20:30:15Z")
Next time try 3x6. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=26)