# In defence of Russia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166 "2022-08-06T00:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/41 "2022-08-06T03:05:25Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > I have concerns about my own Out of curiosity, in what country do you live? ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/42 "2022-08-06T03:06:03Z")
No. But Qaddafi was starting to try and get Africa more together. He had a ton of faults. Did manage to get a lot less weird as time went by. But was still way weird. But he was trying to do something that might have turned out good. Just starting to. No way at all to tell how it would have gone. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/43 "2022-08-06T03:07:34Z")
Ever hear the term, “Searching for a pony in a pile of horseshit”? ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/44 "2022-08-06T03:08:11Z")
The way things are going all over the world. I hesitate to say that. But I suppose you can surmise it with a modicum of effort. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/45 "2022-08-06T03:08:29Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Correct. So why did NATO do the bombing? Because Russia (and China) didn’t bother to vote against it. > **Resolution 1973** was adopted by the [United Nations Security Council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council) on 17 March 2011 in response to the [First Libyan Civil War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Libyan_Civil_War). The [Security Council resolution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_resolution) was proposed by [France](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France), [Lebanon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon), and the [United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom).[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973#cite_note-UN_News_Centre-1)[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973#cite_note-2) > > Ten [Security Council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council) members voted in the affirmative ([Bosnia and Herzegovina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina), [Colombia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia), [Gabon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabon), [Lebanon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon), [Nigeria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria), [Portugal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal), [South Africa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa), and permanent members [France](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France), the [United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom), and the [United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)). Five ([Brazil](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil), [Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany), and [India](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India), and permanent members [China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China) and [Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia)) abstained, with none opposed.[[3]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1973#cite_note-3) > > The resolution formed the legal basis for [military intervention](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya) in the [Libyan Civil War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Libyan_Civil_War), demanding “an immediate [ceasefire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceasefire)” and authorizing the international community to establish a [no-fly zone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-fly_zone) and to use all means necessary short of foreign occupation to protect civilians. Note that only 4 of the 10 “yes” votes were from NATO countries (and 1 abstained). If the others had voted “no” (or had either Russia or China individually), then the Resolution would NOT have passed. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/46 "2022-08-06T03:09:51Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > The way things are going all over the world. I hesitate to say that. > But I suppose you can surmise it with a modicum of effort. So, Russia then? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/47 "2022-08-06T03:10:28Z")
One might hope you realize that this steaming pile could equally be said of Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/48 "2022-08-06T03:13:08Z")
Look. Just because Putin is emulating Hitler in almost every detail, doesn’t mean you can Godwinise him! ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/49 "2022-08-06T03:14:41Z")
That is so lame. But aside from a couple folks here, expected. Level up. Consider the deeper concerns. Giving out personal information is asking for trouble just from internet users. Beyond that, several countries are now making it criminal offense to state personal opinions that go against the line taken by country’s government line. I caution you. Do not reveal much, if any, personal information here or anywhere, online. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/50 "2022-08-06T03:16:23Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Beyond that, several countries are now making it criminal offense to state personal opinions that go against the line taken by country’s government line. Like Putin’s Russia? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/51 "2022-08-06T03:21:39Z")
As Putin is wont to remind us _lebensraum_ sounds better in the original German . . . and unlike _жизненное пространство_ you can fucking pronounce it. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/52 "2022-08-06T03:23:37Z")
This is why this board needs a like button. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/53 "2022-08-06T03:25:43Z")
But the military action immediately went far beyond “No Fly”. It was a big ground bombing campaign. Not in a logical way to gain even a ceasefire. It was an attack against one side. The government and military of sovereign Libya. Sort of like Russia attacking sovereign Ukraine? In order to stop a civil war, Ukraine versus Donbass? It isn’t that I think Russia is the good guy. There are not too many good guys when nations get bumping. Some country will do something this decade, then condemn another doing almost the same thing next decade. There are basic sides due to styles and methods of governments. But they often get down to the least common denominator when it serves their interests. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/54 "2022-08-06T03:28:03Z")
> **[German Journalist Criminally Charged, Bank Account Seized, for Deviating From...](https://www.visiontimes.com/2022/06/26/alina-lipp-german-journalist-charged-bank-frozen-ukraine-reporting.html)** > > An independent German journalist reporting on the situation in Donbas, Ukraine objectively has been formally charged with a crime punishable by 3 years in prison ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/55 "2022-08-06T03:29:19Z")
Oh, well that makes Putin’s unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country OK then. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/56 "2022-08-06T03:30:11Z")
> **[Russian Authorities Arrest Journalist for Reports on Ukraine](https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-authorities-arrest-journalist-for-reports-on-ukraine/6531167.html)** > > Mikhail Afanasyev was arrested for reporting on 11 riot police officers who allegedly refused deployment to Ukraine as part of Russia's military action there Fair and balanced. A la Fox 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/57 "2022-08-06T03:33:27Z")
Finally. Thanks for seeing my point! Just kidding. I won’t quote it of of context.But be more careful 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/58 "2022-08-06T03:34:51Z")
It is always nice to know the Falun Gong’s take on a situation. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/59 "2022-08-06T03:36:51Z")
You do toss some curve balls. Falun Gong? Is that some guess about my country of origin? It is a few posts away from that question. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/60 "2022-08-06T03:40:30Z")
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