# In defence of Russia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166 "2022-08-06T00:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/61 "2022-08-06T03:44:16Z")
If only there was some easier way than Googling _Vision Times_ and clicking on the Wikipedia link, > **[Kanzhongguo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanzhongguo)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > Kanzhongguo (Chinese: 看中國), also known as Vision Times, is a Falun Gong-affiliated Chinese language weekly newspaper. It was founded in 2001 as a website, www.secretchina.com. In 2006, it began publishing weekly print versions in major U.S. cities and Australia (as Vision China Times) where large Chinese communities exist. In 2007, print versions were launched in Europe. To date, it is published in 23 cities, across 17 countries around the world. I... but, alas, there is no easy way to vet one’s ‘’‘’‘‘news’’‘’‘’ sources. One might also wish for some easy way to familiarize oneself with the Falun Gong too, > **[Falun Gong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong)** > > Falun Gong (UK: /ˌfɑːlʊn ˈɡɒŋ, ˌfæl-, - ˈɡʊŋ/, US: /- ˈɡɔːŋ/) or Falun Dafa (/ˈdɑːfə/; literally, "Dharma Wheel Practice" or "Law Wheel Practice") is a new religious movement. Falun Gong was founded by its leader Li Hongzhi in China in the early 1990s. Falun Gong has its global headquarters in Dragon Springs, a 427-acre (1.73 km2) compound in Deerpark, New York, near the residence of Li Hongzhi. > Falun Gong administers a variety of outreach organizations in the United States and elsewhere, in... ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/62 "2022-08-06T03:46:07Z")
I just remembered who they were from previous failed attempts to use them as a source of news. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/63 "2022-08-06T03:50:16Z")
Nope. But it illustrates that Russia and a whole bunch of other countries, past, present and unfortunately, probably future, put out I am what I say, not what I do. I know I am, but what are you? Oh but this time it is for the good. Etc, etc, etc… Right now it is Russia, Ukraine. Look back and the same story plays out multiple times. Different countries, different or very similar situations. I look forward to all the folks here championing “Mainland China” getting that pesky Taiwan back under control. Seeing as how Taiwan, as Donbass, decided to try and break away from it’s sovereign nation. How dare the U.S.A. interfere and militarily and politically support the breakaway republic. But, really. I fervently hope that China will let go of Taiwan. Just using it as an example. But there are some parallels. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/64 "2022-08-06T03:53:14Z")
If you are referring to the article about the German journalist. It was one of the first links. But it is easy for you to find many others. It is a sad fact. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/65 "2022-08-06T03:54:48Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > If you are referring to the article about the German journalist. It was one of the first links. But it is easy for you to find many others. It was your tainted link, so why don’t _you_ find us another one, especially if it is so easy to do? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/66 "2022-08-06T03:55:11Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > I look forward to all the folks here championing “Mainland China” getting that pesky Taiwan back under control. Seeing as how Taiwan, as Donbass, decided to try and break away from it’s sovereign nation. Amazing how many factual errors two sentences can contain. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/67 "2022-08-06T03:55:43Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > That is so lame. But aside from a couple folks here, expected. Level up. > Consider the deeper concerns. Giving out personal information is asking for trouble just from internet users. Beyond that, several countries are now making it criminal offense to state personal opinions that go against the line taken by country’s government line. > I caution you. Do not reveal much, if any, personal information here or anywhere, online. My God, what a ridiculous fucking reply! You won’t reveal in what country you live on an anonymous discussion board because somehow, someone could use that information to track you down and do something bad to you. That’s some great Alex Jones level bullshit. In other words, you are just a garden variety troll trying to get a rise out of people by posting pro-Putin crap. Talk about lame… ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/68 "2022-08-06T03:56:09Z")
Is Falun Gong still an opposition that the Chinese government hates? Or did they get subverted, defeated, folded in? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/69 "2022-08-06T03:57:07Z")
What an interesting suggestion without evidence disguised as a question. Bravo!! ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/70 "2022-08-06T03:59:04Z")
Elaborate. A failed revolutionary government fled from China to Taiwan, which was China. And declared a new China. Of course the people in the Donbas just stayed there and continued to prefer Russia over the new Ukraine government. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/71 "2022-08-06T04:01:18Z")
No, really. I have not heard about that for a long time now. What became of them? I am really asking for information, if you have it. It perked my interest coming from left field like that. Curve ball, left field. Accidental really. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/72 "2022-08-06T04:03:42Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > I think I have mentioned a few pertinent reasons why. Because he wanted a NATO country (Poland) to be on his doorstep? Your “pertinent reasons” make no sense whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/73 "2022-08-06T04:04:03Z")
I understand that you would love to change the subject to anything but Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Totally deliberate really. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/74 "2022-08-06T04:09:31Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Because he wanted a NATO country (Poland) to be on his doorstep? > > Your “pertinent reasons” make no sense whatsoever. It makes perfect sense. By absorbing Ukraine, Putin can ‘absorb’ Poland. And Slovakia. And Czechia. And Moldova. And Hungary. And Romania. And Slovenia. And Croatia.And Bulgaria. And Germany… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/75 "2022-08-06T04:10:13Z")
Our friend here makes as much sense as this guy: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/euV1HmGm22s/hqdefault.jpg "Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euV1HmGm22s) ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/76 "2022-08-06T04:14:08Z")
If you look at the map linked. Ukraine border to Russia is longer than what Poland would be. And drives deeper into Russia south west. And of course there is the historical use of Ukraine as an inroad to Russia. No fault of Ukraine, of course. Just the geography and tactical realities. So a neutral or Russian friendly/allied/controlled, whatever Ukraine, is a great security bonus for Russia. Ideally it would not be an issue. But circumstances make it one for now. [![](https://external-preview.redd.it/KBgRqY7-Rurpw8BN4YgN6pPeyxXHxGxhAvt8Dg3XhEc.png?s=d4c662e866c192ef76efd2fc47e3cb1ded3ab766) ](https://external-preview.redd.it/KBgRqY7-Rurpw8BN4YgN6pPeyxXHxGxhAvt8Dg3XhEc.png?s=d4c662e866c192ef76efd2fc47e3cb1ded3ab766) Forgot. The Black Sea fleet base in Crimea is a definite security and military issue. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/77 "2022-08-06T04:16:02Z")
Fine forget it. I will look it up, now that you perked my interest in the fossil. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/78 "2022-08-06T04:18:03Z")
I’ll leave it to others to actually try to “debate” with you. Thanks for the map, you whacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man. Maybe if you work really hard, you can work your way up to “fuckwit”. It’s a long path, but I’m sure it will be worth it. So take your “security bonus” and stick it up your ass. I hope the dead people are worth it to you and your filth. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/79 "2022-08-06T04:19:52Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > So a neutral or Russian friendly/allied/controlled, whatever Ukraine, is a great security bonus for Russia. So? There’s no security threat to Russia from Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/80 "2022-08-06T04:20:04Z")
Perfect sense. Expend even more resources and lives. Attack NATO directly. Can you guys level up a bit? Whacky waving tube man. Oh my god. I am totally defeated by the facts and logic of your argument. If things remain at this childish level. Excepting a couple folks. I will just come in here to laugh and poke. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=5)