# In defence of Russia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166 "2022-08-06T00:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/121 "2022-08-06T05:49:36Z")
On me, **Mike** : _Oh, you’re a bad pony. And I’m not gonna bet on you. You see, in my trade, this is called - what you did - you cracked out of turn. Huh? You see? You crumbed the play._ Joe Mantegna as Mike, in David Mamet’s 1987 film, _House of Games_ ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/122 "2022-08-06T05:59:52Z")
So I am the bad pony. You don’t see my points as a winning thing? But I am not about this Russia, Ukraine war as any kind of win. It is a loss all round. Lives. I am not about who is right or wrong. I am looking at why it happened. How it could have been dodged, at least for some more time. What is currently really happening, good or bad for either side, and all the bystanders. But to the actual post. You wildly overestimated my ability to catch that so subtle a jibe. I’ll take it as a compliment, that you may have thought I would get it. But I failed. Still. Czarcasm did come up with a greatly plausible hit. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/123 "2022-08-06T06:02:22Z")
_Now, what we got here is a little game of show and tell. You don’t wanna show me nothing but you’re telling me everything._ Christopher Walken as Vincenzo Coccotti in 1993’s _True Romance_ ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/124 "2022-08-06T06:07:52Z")
It just isn’t fair to bring my beloved Christopher Walken into this. We are not on the ethereal plane here. And now I have to watch True Romance again. so F you and Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/125 "2022-08-06T06:08:56Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Still. Czarcasm did come up with a greatly plausible hit. And on that note, I am taking down the bottle of Tullamore Dew 12 Year Old and pouring myself a double-I think I earned it. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/126 "2022-08-06T06:09:23Z")
Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/127 "2022-08-06T06:13:22Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > ow it could have been dodged, at least for some more time. The only way it could have been dodged would be if Putin was a smarter person, or dead. Neither are true in this timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/128 "2022-08-06T06:23:12Z")
I had **Kedikat** pegged as a partisan weirdo back at the beginning of April, in this thread: > [@Will Putin’s failure in Ukraine embolden other areas?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-putin-s-failure-in-ukraine-embolden-other-areas/962189): > > I think it’s fairly safe to say that the invasion of Ukraine hasn’t gone the way that Putin (or anyone else for that matter) had expected it to. Will this lack of apparent military might embolden any other countries or regions to change their approach to dealing with Russia? It’s not long, only 34 posts, but here’s a summary. He posts some of his usual bullshit, this time about Russia being careful in their invasion because they want to preserve infrastructure and keep civilians safe. Everyone in the thread jumps all over him for his bullshit. I refer to a then-recently published essay in Russian state media where the official position is advanced in justification of the invasion that Ukraine is not a real country and must be de-Banderized and effectively destroyed to save it from itself. Our Putinist cretin reappears in the thread to push back vaguely, trying to lodge poorly argued doubts about the veracity of the cite and its connection to Russian policy. I link to the original Russian language source and provide additional context showing that **Kedikat** is either a propagandizing troll or a thoroughgoing moron. He then disappears from the thread, and, as far as I can tell, from the board entirely for at least a few days. When he comes back, he’s still hanging onto his horseshit about Russia having good intentions in their military action. There’s no in-between here. He’s either a dumbshit or a knowing disinformationist. Either way he can go fuck himself. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/129 "2022-08-06T06:24:52Z")
Putin is a hard ass. No doubt about it. As Russia was being picked apart after the USSR collapsed, From within and without. He somehow managed to bring a whole bunch of self interests into line. Obviously he used nasty means here and there. I am still unsure as to what pressures, deals, what the hell he may be using or being used by. That transition was a crazy time. But he and whoever was aligned with him, managed to keep the core of Russia together. It has in general got better over time. Far from perfect. But it could have collapsed into a total shit show. So I would not think he is very smart. Does not mean Ukraine invasion was the best idea at the time. But do not underestimate his abilities. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/130 "2022-08-06T06:26:55Z")
I appreciate the post. Very enlightening. Welcome to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/131 "2022-08-06T06:29:23Z")
Fuck him and his abilities. His abilities are similar to Trump’s: Lie and Deny are his only super powers. The US may suck, but even our stupider politicians know how to invade a weaker country. He’ll be lucky if he survives his invasion, if I’m still around afterward: good riddance to poorly constructed rubbish. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/132 "2022-08-06T06:34:30Z")
[отвали, мудак, бля.](https://waytorussia.net/WhatIsRussia/Russian/SwearWords.html) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/133 "2022-08-06T06:38:09Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Is that some guess about my country of origin? I thought you said in the past that you were from Serbia? Or am I misremembering that. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/134 "2022-08-06T06:43:51Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I refer to a then-recently published essay in Russian state media where the official position is advanced in justification of the invasion that Ukraine is not a real country and must be de-Banderized and effectively destroyed to save it from itself. I think Ukraine is a country. Never stated otherwise. But it has faults and problems. As many do. It was charting a course according to the votes of its citizens. That course was fairly neutral. Trying to make the most of its geopolitical position, between western Europe and Russia. If used wisely, a very good position. But, some saw that as too good a thing for Russia. So the democratically elected government was toppled by violent coup. It is now well known that outside influences decided to make the coup and who would be installed. As Victoria Nuland is heard in released recordings, discussing who should be installed to rule Ukraine, as to EU concerns, “Fuck the EU”. I don’t suppose she gave a fuck about Ukraine concerns of leadership either. So while I consider Ukraine to be a country. The U.S. and its operative Nuland, seem to consider it their puppet. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/135 "2022-08-06T06:44:38Z")
Fuck you and your fictional alternative histories. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/136 "2022-08-06T06:49:18Z")
> **[Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957)** > > A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/137 "2022-08-06T06:52:21Z")
> **[A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink...](https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea)** > > In 2014 Ukraine, great power gamesmanship, righteous anger at a corrupt status quo, and opportunistic far-right extremists toppled the government in the Maidan Revolution. Today’s crisis in Ukraine can’t be understood without understanding Maidan. You can find articles with different slants of course. This is not the definitive all facts concrete. Might never be one. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/138 "2022-08-06T07:01:22Z")
This is my first time in the pit. Seems we can get away with more shit in here. And that is fine, maybe fun. I am feeling more free to be sarcastic. I hope that is okay. To all those who kick in here. I do not consider you in entirety by what you may post in here. I may diss you here on this subject. Disagree. But I will not carry that out of here. I may agree with you in other subjects. Appreciate your knowledge and expertise in other threads, subjects. Everyone is multifaceted. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/139 "2022-08-06T07:19:00Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > This is my first time in the pit. Not really. > [@Armed Police Drones in ND](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/armed-police-drones-in-nd/729117/9): > > So people can bring down the drone and score some fun “non lethal” toys. A police drone has a more limited ( camera ) field of view, audio, general situational awareness. So I see the possibility for more mistakes. Miss fires, bad targeting. Mass targeting. Being a police officer is a difficult, dangerous job. But distancing the officer from the citizens makes the officer a more dangerous force. Be it technology or training that infers an us and them mentality. More distance between us and the… > [@Russia shipping Ukrainians to far-off depressed areas of Russia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-shipping-ukrainians-to-far-off-depressed-areas-of-russia/961646/12): > > Does not seem sensible. Most Ukrainians that are exiting to Russia are likely already very Russian. When things finally settle in Ukraine, if Russia gets what it wants. I think the plan would be to get those folks back to Ukraine. Particularly in the Donbass region. Ukraine is quite West/East split as to Ukraine majority areas versus Russian areas, as far as the people’s ethnicity and ethnic leanings go. It is more likely for the Russian folks to want to and be able to get out of the war zone t… > [@In the name of fuck website designers, WTF is wrong with you?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-the-name-of-fuck-website-designers-wtf-is-wrong-with-you/967687/8): > > Style over substance, usability, seems to be taking over a lot of websites. As well as the OP peeve, I get really pissed off at big box hardware sites such as Home Depot, that have pathetic search systems. A thousand of a certain type of item. But no decent way to narrow it down by sizes or other important things. Your first time was 7 years ago. You’ve posted in a couple of other threads in the Pit this year. I very much remember our interactions here. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/140 "2022-08-06T07:30:41Z")
Oh so I did. Didn’t carry on much in those threads, did not really notice where they were. Didn’t notice any variance in the rules there, as I didn’t go on much in the threads. But as this thread was purposely started and noted in the pit, I took note of it. And so wondered if it is different. My previous posts here were oblivious as to being in “the pit”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=8)