# In defence of Russia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166 "2022-08-06T00:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/141 "2022-08-06T07:33:13Z")
Oh. I just realized that the name of the thread is not my doing. I am not defending Russia per se. But may do so or opposite as the facts pertain. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/142 "2022-08-06T07:37:33Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Your first time was 7 years ago. You’ve posted in a couple of other threads in the Pit this year. I very much remember our interactions here. I hope the interactions were not too angering. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/143 "2022-08-06T07:44:39Z")
You inspired me to check out the search functions more. Wondering how hard it is to get 7 years back. As i recently did a dumb harder way to search back one of my own posts. Thanks. I may use what I found in the future to make things easier. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/144 "2022-08-06T07:46:09Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > I am not defending Russia per se. If you’d be so kind and inform us when you start doing so lest we not notice the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/145 "2022-08-06T07:52:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Which specific country are you trying to divert attention from? Allow me to point out that the Turkish word for cat (_Felis catus_) is kedi. And that Erdogan is our friend and ally. Learning a lot from our enemies. > **[Erdogan Meets Putin to Push Syria Operation](https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/05/erdogan-putin-turkey-russia-syria-ukraine-kurds/)** > > The Turkish leader is meeting Russian President Vladimir Putin for the second time in three weeks as he readies his own “special military operation.” Just coincidences, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/146 "2022-08-06T07:53:12Z")
It is a fairly common occurrence that facts tend to one side or the other. Seldom do the facts split evenly to describe the reality of two opposing situations. Of course, opinions can span wide gulfs. Or create them. Facts should be devoid of opinion. My statement of fact, does not mean it is my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/147 "2022-08-06T07:59:18Z")
kedikat is indeed inspired by a past pet. She was a beautiful pure white medium length haired. Got her from the shelter. Named her Kedi. So timid at first. But what a fun cat she came to be. Loving. Not the least bit fussy. Playful as hell. Odd eyed. One green one blue. I used to use a picture of her as my avatar some places. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/148 "2022-08-06T08:00:53Z")
I am glad you had one friend in your life. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/149 "2022-08-06T08:02:08Z")
Tears streaming down my face make it hard to type this reply… PPPFFFfffffftttttt! ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/150 "2022-08-06T08:04:13Z")
> [@](#): > > In the separatist-held areas of the Donbas, about 55% of the respondents expressed a preference for being part of the Ukrainian state. [![](https://i.imgur.com/PK6VsIs.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/PK6VsIs.png) > **[Most people in separatist-held areas of Donbas prefer reintegration with...](https://theconversation.com/most-people-in-separatist-held-areas-of-donbas-prefer-reintegration-with-ukraine-new-survey-124849)** > > What do the people of the Donbas want for their future? Anyone who supports the Russian side in their invasion of Ukraine is either evil/fascist or a fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/151 "2022-08-06T08:07:03Z")
But. Seeing as the rules are lax here for off topic. What do you think of the Syrian situation? Seems some other western democracies so concerned with sovereignty are busy fucking over, invading, destabilizing another sovereign country. That has not attacked them. Or threatened them in any real way. Except for having oil. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/152 "2022-08-06T08:07:17Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > I hope the interactions were not too angering. I was too amused to be actually mad. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/153 "2022-08-06T08:11:59Z")
Surprising results considering… [![](https://image.shutterstock.com/shutterstock/photos/179866157/display_1500/stock-vector-ethnic-vector-map-of-ukraine-179866157.jpg) ](https://image.shutterstock.com/shutterstock/photos/179866157/display_1500/stock-vector-ethnic-vector-map-of-ukraine-179866157.jpg) Maybe inaccurate poll? ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/154 "2022-08-06T08:17:48Z")
But maybe not so off topic. Except for the oil aspect. Russia/Ukraine. US/Turkey/Syria. Big guys using little guys for their ends. Little guys suffer. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/155 "2022-08-06T08:19:31Z")
I get worked up. But not mad. Snarky, but try not to be too crude. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/156 "2022-08-06T08:20:31Z")
I said what I came here to say, that’s it. You were asking for it, I obliged. Judging by what spills over to your posts, your mother tongue must have an interesting and complicated grammar. I don’t understand much. The referene to having oil is cryptic to me. Re: deflection and off topic. Yeah, Syria was probably Obama’s third or fourth biggest foreign policy blunder. So what? ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/157 "2022-08-06T08:23:17Z")
So what? Syrian, Turkish, American lives are so what? in Syria, but Ukraine/Russia is horrendous? So what? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/158 "2022-08-06T08:23:25Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Maybe inaccurate poll? No, you’re a fucking moron (and quite possibly evil/fascist too). Language is not ethnicity - or national identity. Look at the Republic of Ireland. Percentage of population speaking English = 99% Percentage of population speaking Irish = 1.7% The Irish do not consider themselves English. President Zelenskyy is a native Russian speaker. Do you think he considers himself Russian? Loads of Ukrainians on social media, who are very much anti-Russian, communicate in their native Russian language. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/159 "2022-08-06T08:28:18Z")
To quote a great thinker: > Tears streaming down my face make it hard to type this reply… ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/160 "2022-08-06T08:33:26Z")
From Wiki. ### Result According to CEC spokesman Mykhailo Lysenko, a total of around 2,883,000 people voted in the counter-referendum. 69.1% (1,968,619) of those polled were reported to have voted in favour of accession to Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, 27.2% (774,912) voted against accession to Dnipropetrovsk Oblast or separation from Ukraine as part of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics, and 3.7% (105,411) voted for separation from Ukraine as part of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics.[[77]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums#cite_note-resultPV24-78) After a few months, due to the Ukrainian military’s control of Dobropillia Raion and Krasnoarmiisk Raion, they remained as a part of the Donetsk Oblast with no accession taking place.[_[citation needed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)_] My words now. It is not clear where the Wiki paste ends. 2,883,000 voters versus 1868 sampled in the poll. Of course there are many who dismiss the results of the vote for various reasons. Depending instead on a poll conducted by a foreign institute. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=9)