# In defence of Russia **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166 "2022-08-06T00:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/161 "2022-08-06T08:39:23Z")
Oh gosh, you flatter me. 🙂 I am a medium thinker. But I think I access a wider range of facts and opinions than many of my detractors here do. I encourage folks to take in a wide variety of sources. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/162 "2022-08-06T08:43:07Z")
Bullshit referendum. Read the whole article: > **[2014 Donbas status referendums](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > Referendums on the status of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, parts of Ukraine that together make up the Donbas region, were claimed to have taken place on 11 May 2014 in many towns under the control of the Russian-controlled Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. These referendums intended to legitimise the establishment of the so-called "republics", in the context of the Russian invasion of Crimea and rising pro-Russian unrest in the aftermath of... ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/163 "2022-08-06T08:52:58Z")
Of course. But the poll is rock solid. Sure. Also the Russians are building ever more military units from volunteers from the Donbas areas. Along with all the previous military units that the Donbas people themselves built to fight for their independence alongside the Russian forces. Ukraine military has been at war with the Donbas for years. Before the Russians came in. It was one reason the Russians did come in. The Ukraine military did not build fortifications and station their forces at the eastern edge of Ukraine to defend against the Russians. But along the Luhansk, Donetsk borderlines. They were fighting Ukrainians of Russian ethnicity for years. Killing thousands. The war started years before Russia entered. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/164 "2022-08-06T09:34:04Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Qaddafi was starting to try and get Africa more together. No, Gaddafi was using African unity as cover for his terrible regime. He called for unity, yet never met a murderous dictator or rebellion movement he wouldn’t back. Don’t use us Africans as a shield for a terrible dictator with such nutjob ideas as returning all of Africa to the motherfucking gold standard. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/165 "2022-08-06T09:36:28Z")
The Ukraine war did not start in February. [https://euromaidanpress.com/2021/07/19/un-releases-data-on-donbas-war-victims-starting-from-2014/](https://euromaidanpress.com/2021/07/19/un-releases-data-on-donbas-war-victims-starting-from-2014/) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/166 "2022-08-06T11:55:50Z")
Maybe be you should ask French-speaking Belgians whether they want to he part of France. Or French-speaking Swiss, for that matter. Language isn’t everything. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/167 "2022-08-06T12:12:53Z")
Your mastery of history is a joke. The new China is the PRC government. The Republic of China government which fled to Taiwan is the old China. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/168 "2022-08-06T12:32:13Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > Seeing as how Taiwan, as Donbass, decided to try and break away from it’s sovereign nation. Again, your mastery of history is a joke. The Republic of China government has not ever, and is quite unlikely to ever, break away from its sovereign nation. That government happened to be the legitimate government of the country and has never dissolved. You might also learn that there are business interests from both sides on both sides of the Taiwan Straits. Saber rattling from the PRC side is first and foremost for political consumption within the PRC and secondly to antagonize the ROC government. Even communists know this is not the time to destroy their own economy. And your posts regarding Russia and Ukraine are ignorant and completely lacking in an understanding of reality and the history of both countries. You are certainly ignoring the simple fact that Putin attacked Ukraine yet again without actual provocation. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/169 "2022-08-06T15:41:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > In accordance to moderator instructions, I’m posting this thread to provide an outlet for Kedikat Why? **Kedikat** is a worthless hateful Russian troll who is here only to spread pro-Russian and anti-Western propaganda, to celebrate the greatness of Putin, and to blame NATO, Ukraine, and especially the US for apparently forcing Putin to invade Ukraine. The fucker should be banned for hate speech. To fully appreciate this, one needs to understand Rashism (also called Russism), a hateful and extremist fascist ideology closely associated with Vladimir Putin, and championed here by Kedikat. The symbol of Rashism is a stylized “Z”, reminiscent of a swastika, and is the reason that “Z” is painted on all the Russian war machines attacking Ukraine and killing its citizens. > **[Ruscism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashism)** > > Ruscism, also known as Rashism,\[a\] Russism,\[b\] or Russian fascism,\[c\] is a term used by a number of scholars, politicians and publicists to describe the political ideology and the social practices of the Russian state in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, especially during the rule of Vladimir Putin. "Ruscism" and "Russism" are portmanteaus which combine the words 'Russian' and 'fascism'; "Rashism" is a rough transcription of the Russian and Ukrainian equivalents (also a portmanteau The mo...   > Rashism, a portmanteau of “Russia” and “fascism”, also known as Ruscism, Russism, or Russian fascism is a term used by a number of scholars, politicians and publicists to describe the political ideology and social practices of the Russian authorities during the rule of Vladimir Putin. It is also used to refer to the ideology of Russian military expansionism, and has been used as a label to describe an undemocratic system and nationality cult mixed with ultranationalism and a cult of personality. That transformation was described as based on the ideas of the “special civilizational mission” of the Russians, such as Moscow as the third Rome and expansionism, which manifests itself in anti-Westernism and supports regaining Imperial lands by conquest. > > … According to [President of Ichkeria Dzhokhar Dudayev], Ruscism is “a variety of hatred ideology which is based on Great Russian chauvinism, spiritlessness and immorality. It differs from other forms of fascism, racism, and nationalism by a more extreme cruelty, both to man and to nature. It is based on the destruction of everything and everyone, the tactics of scorched earth. Ruscism is a schizophrenic variety of the world domination complex. This is a distinct version of slave psychology, it grows like a parasite on the fabricated history, occupied territories and oppressed peoples.” Putin is a ruthless thug who, along with a handful of oligarchs who support and protect him, has stolen hundreds of billions of dollars from the Russian people and imagines himself a czar-like potentate who will further enrich himself and extend his power by expanding the Russian empire to any and all adjacent neighboring countries. With that in mind, it’s worthwhile to examine some of Kedikat’s comments in the “Russia invades Ukraine” thread, before he was finally told by a moderator to knock it off. He has been a bit more circumspect in this thread, where he knows he will be called out on it, but observe his earlier posts back in that other thread. My own observations are in italics prior to each one. _ **Kedikat** begins by parroting the Kremlin line “the Russians are winning”_ > [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6553): > > Very soon the Russians will have taken most of the territory that the Ukraine forces have been holding and reinforcing for many years now. The areas along the Donbass borders. After that it will be easier for the Russians to advance. A lot of Ukraine forward military assets have been destroyed or overrun. All the while the Ukraine forces have been losing their better trained forces. In spite of foreign donations of military hardware, the Ukraine forces do not have much depth of resupply. > I feel it has reached a tipping point. Ukraine had the bulk of it’s forces and material on the Donbass borders. It is gone now. I think it will be a much faster advance for Russian forces now. If they choose to. _ **Kedikat** informs us that the Russians have been very, very careful not to cause civilian casualties. (They have definitely not bombed apartment buildings, hospitals, and even children’s shelters. Definitely not!)_ > [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6792): > > So the Russian forces have not gone all out. Trying to lessen civilian deaths and destruction of infrastructure. _Anything Russia does is justified:_ > [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6867): > > Paranoid? > Oh come on now. Russia is cast as the big bad evil empire constantly. Not paranoid for them to think some folks might have it out for them. _Russia has no expansionist ambitions at all! Putin is a fine fellow who has no imperialist ambitions at all to return to the old days of Soviet glory! The war is all the fault of the US! (Fact: Not only is Putin’s Rashism blatantly imperialistic and genocidal, but he fancies himself a latter-day czar; he has czarist imagery all over the $15 billion ultra-luxurious palace he built for himself with money stolen from the Russian people.)_ (Bolding mine below.) > [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6870): > > NATO has attacked other countries. Fact. > Russia has realized that the Soviet Union was too big and unruly a thing to exist. The hard core socialist scheme the same. > **They have not desired expansion for a long time now.** But in return they requested that NATO not expand around them. > I really think that the U.S. is the one that was most worried about Russia and Western Europe coming to best of terms and integration … > > **… So the U.S. via NATO, Ukraine, stirs the pot.** _In addition to Kedikat’s poor command of English, the occasional lapses into Russian grammar (like dropping the indefinite article here) are interesting._ > [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6875): > > I edited while you posted retort. _In case anyone missed his first statement that the Ukraine invasion is all the fault of the US, he repeats it a second time:_ > [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6878): > > I am stating, not defending, some of Russia’s incentives for this. Stating facts is not championing them. > I do in fact think that it is the U.S. that is mostly to blame for it coming to war. _In case anyone missed how much Kedikat loves Putin, he reasserts it here:_ > [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6879): > > > [@Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/russia-invades-ukraine-2022-02-24-part-1/960037/6877): > > > > So why are you trying to defend the actions of a fascist dictator/monster? > > Well that sentence just lowers my valuation of your opinions /knowledge. It is so propagandist. Even western media and intelligence services know Putin has stellar approval ratings in Russia. Higher than any other leader in the world? > He does not need to be a dictator. He has the popular approval. In short, **Kedikat** is a Putin-loving anti-Western, anti-US, Ukraine-hating Russian troll and propagandist for Russian fascism and Russian hegemony. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/170 "2022-08-06T16:22:34Z")
Seconded. And thank you very much, **Wolfpup** , for taking the trouble of copying and pasting all those quotes, I’m sure it was not fun to re-read that crap. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/171 "2022-08-06T16:24:51Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > In short, **Kedikat** is a Putin-loving anti-Western, anti-US, Ukraine-hating Russian troll and propagandist for Russian fascism and Russian hegemony. Coming soon to a Republican primary near you! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/172 "2022-08-06T16:49:34Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > So the democratically elected government was toppled by violent coup. It is now well known that outside influences decided to make the coup and who would be installed. What the absolute fuck are you talking about? An invasion is not a coup. A war is not a failed coup. You need to spend some time with a dictionary and a really disappointed middle school history teacher. Thank you @wolfpup for summarizing his crap. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/173 "2022-08-06T16:57:10Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > In short, **Kedikat** is a Putin-loving anti-Western, anti-US, Ukraine-hating Russian troll and propagandist for Russian fascism and Russian hegemony. And… He’s doing a really shitty job of it. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/174 "2022-08-06T17:09:26Z")
I am referring there to the Maidan incident. It happened years before Russia invaded. Two links. With different views of it. Facts in both. Slants to both. It was a big turning point. Stirred up a lot of things that had been simmering for a long time. > **[Revolution of Dignity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > Maidan People's Union [https://www.conservapedia.com/Maidan\_coup](https://www.conservapedia.com/Maidan_coup) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/175 "2022-08-06T17:12:10Z")
> [@Kedikat](#): > > [Maidan coup - Conservapedia](https://www.conservapedia.com/Maidan_coup) Oh. My. God. You. Didn’t. Just. Cite. Conservapedia. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/176 "2022-08-06T17:13:42Z")
You do if you’re a fucking attention seeking troll. ---
**Author:** ![Kedikat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kedikat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kedikat)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/177 "2022-08-06T17:13:46Z")
Yeah I know it is slanted. So I posted the other one first. Noting it. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/178 "2022-08-06T17:13:51Z")
He’s a fucking moron, of course he did. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/179 "2022-08-06T17:16:57Z")
It’s not “slanted”. Conservapedia is batshit stupid. They blamed Einstein’s Theory of Relativity for MORAL RELATIVISM for fuck’s sake. That’s so wrong it’s not vegetable let alone potato. Save us all time and just cite Putin! ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166/180 "2022-08-06T17:25:45Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Save us all time and just cite Putin! Better still, @Kedikat, save us all time and just fuck right off, you fucking hateful troll. You’re a lying piece of shit that is not worth engaging with. I’m really disappointed that the OP gave you a venue to spew your hate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-defence-of-russia/969166.md?page=10)