in defense of telemarketers

aah. the ever elusive “do not call list”.

Yes, I’ve heard of it. Yes, I’ve asked, demanded, begged to be put on it.

Yes, they still call.

Example - I had an employee who got on the scum sucking granddaddy of all call lists - ‘those who may potentially invest in crack pot schemes’. I got calls for him for a full solid five years after he’d left. “he no longer works here”. “he hasn’t worked here in over a year”.“he fucking died two years ago” (ok, so that wasn’t true - I was desperate) I’d get called 2, 3 times a week. same person (I got so I recognized his voice).

So, all of you who beg, plead for the humanity of those that do this for a living - where’s your fucking concern for me who had to answer the phone at my place of business and get that sort of nonsense over and over and over again? Where’s your fucking concern about the humanity for my poor Snookie, who sleeps during the day (yes, we’ve begged to be on no call lists), and gets calls over and over and over again?

So, in short, I’m mostly not rude w/them personally - however, I will not condemn those who’ve gotten to the end of their rope with these monsters and choose to give back what they’ve been given.

If you don’t wish to be associated w/bloodsucking scum, don’t sit in their section.

(btw, not that it really matters in the course of the discussion, but I’m female)

Opal, I know whereof you speak - I did telemarketing as a THIRD - yes folks, THIRD job when I was with my first husband - and no, you all don’t need any further details. But it kept me off welfare and my husband out of jail.

But then again,

Oh and let’s not leave Muffin out of this: According to her,

So tell me dears, do I still deserve to live? After keeping my family as it was off of the welfare roles - which of course would be what - your next complaint? That I didn’t do ANYTHING I HAD TO to work and earn my OWN money? I’m just WAITING for that one. :rolleyes:

Talk about self righteous, sanctimonious bullshit…

Thanks, folks - anything else I should be ashamed of myself for? :frowning:

Oh, and Angel of the Lord - I feel for ya - I do - and babe, I’m in your corner - I been there, did that, and if you want to borrow the T-Shirt, give me a shout. :slight_smile:

And as a last and parting comment, Gary, Muffin, FUCK YOU BOTH! WITH FEELING!

Telemarketing is a difficult job, and I’d be willing to stick my neck out and say most people don’t do it for love of the job, which is why I’m generally not rude, but that doesn’t change the rude nature of telemarketing- it just means they’ve gotten (litterally) poor schlubs to be the fronts. The companies make the money and the callers take the flak.

If telemarketing were polite or if the companies doing it considered themselves legit, why do they block their ID? That way only people interested (or bored) would answer their calls and the others wouldn’t be bothered. I think they do it because they do get some people to buy whatever it is against their better judgement. Hard sells work because there are enough people who still are swayed by it.:smack:

PC

I was 18. I was 2 months out of high school, supporting myself (barely) in a strange city with no friends, no family… when school started in the fall I was taking classes at the community college. What decisions should I have made prior to that to steer myself off of that horrible path that I had taken? Or should I have just forgotten about it and started panhandling that much sooner? (And between panhandling I was filling out job applications. Do you remember 1990? Do you know how hard it was to find a job if you had no experience? ANd no, McDonald’s WASN’T hiring.)

Didn’t really claim that they were breaking the law. However, you’re also incorrect that they have a ‘right’ under First Amendment etc. If I’ve asked that they put me on their ‘do not call list’ and they call again, they’re subject to fines etc. Why? well, 'cause they don’t have the right to call you after you’ve asked them not to.

in order to get this enforced, however, you must keep a list and keep track of who they are, when they called, when you asked to be on the do not call list etc. And my experience w/them is that they totally resist actually giving you the name of the company that they work for.

I was actually semi succesful in getting a local pushy church to stop sending me stuff (it took the intervention of the Attorney General’s office, but what the hell).

So this morning I got a call from some Veterans society. It was my one day to sleep in (I forgot to turn off the ringer) and I told the guy I was sleeping and not interested. He said, “alright, I’ll be quick then.” Was that the polite thing for him to say? Was that the right thing for him to say? Was I rude for telling him I wasn’t interested? Was I rude for just hanging up when he kept talking?

Maybe I should have asked to be put on the DNC list, 'cause I’ve heard rumors that it does work sometimes, but I’d rather have just gone back to sleep. So “in defense of telemarketers” what should he and I have done differently (if anything)?

PC

If you have a problem with telemarketing, write your congressman in support of anti-telemarketing legislation. Do not patronize companies that use aggressive telemarketing tactics. Report harassment to your phone company.
But abusing the poor telemarketer drone on the other end of the line who is working (one hopes) the crappiest job of their entire life for minimum wage is not an effective way to fight telemarketing, and, perhaps more importantly, it is not good for your soul. I am really appalled to see otherwise kind, reasonable people arguing that it’s perfectly alright to be rude and abusive to another person, trying to heap enough emotional trauma on them to get them to quit the job that they probably need desperately to pay rent and put food on the table. I’ve had several friends who resorted to telemarketing to pay the bills, and they hated it, and they got out of it as soon as they could. They were not drooling idiots! They were not scum-sucking assholes who were getting off on calling people at home. The didn’t need some fucknugget calling them names and giving them shit to tell that their job sucked!

If you abuse telemarketers, you are a small person. Period.

Don’t delude yourself into thinking that you’re striking a blow against the industry. Your complaints are not reaching higher levels. If you are actually able to make someone cry and walk off the job, this is not a good thing, you asshole. You should be ashamed of being capable of such cruelty.

You are lashing out against a person who is in a position of weakness, who cannot change company policy, and you’re doing it just because you can. Would you be able to say the same things if you had to look them in the eye? That’s a human being on the end of the phone. And it’s not a murderer or rapist, and it is not a thief, it is a person who took a legal job, probably because he had no alternatives, who is following the instructions he was given by his bosses.

Telemarketing needs to be attacked at the level of the company’s policy makers, who decide how often and for what reasons their company will call customers or potential customers in their homes or places of buisiness, and what will be said during those calls, and the tone of the call. Attacking the individual minimum-wage workers is pointless. There is absolutely no difference to the higher-ups in the company between you saying, “Thanks, not interested” and hanging up, or you screaming abuse at their employee. The only reason to do the latter is small-minded meanness and a childish inability to hold your tongue and your temper.

(Of course, con-artists and other aggressive telemarketers who actually do have control over the choice and methods of telemarketing are a different kettle of fish. There is still not excuse to be impolite, but the above reasoning clearly does not apply.)

oh cry me a fucking river. Did You read some of the examples??

Much of the abuse that we are getting is from the fucking ‘poor widdle minimum wage earner’ themsevles. The guy who refused to stop talking after I said I wasn’t interested, the guy that kept calling my office even after he’d personally been told several fucking times that the person he was calling hadn’t been there in years, the telemarker who fucking called back right after Snookie said ‘don’t call here again’.

Does every telemarketer act like a jerk? no. However, if some one’s dealt with 40 who did, I’m not going to condemn them for assuming that the person who uninvited, interupted their day, is one of the many who are jerks vs. the few who weren’t.

I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this, but TV ads and telemarketers are different in that:

a) TV, IMO, is less of a necessity than a telephone. If I had to choose to live without one, I’d ditch the TV, because it is there strictly for entertainment purposes (and lately has neglected to fill even that duty well ;)). The telephone, however, is there not only for entertainment but so that I can be contacted in an emergency, for a job interview, or to confirm a doctor appointment. So whereas I can toss the TV out the window if I get sick of commercials, I can’t do the same with the telephone if I get sick of telemarketers. For this reason, I feel like telemarketing sort of amounts to entrapment.

b) Commercials are often better entertainment than the TV shows I watch, whereas telemarketers are rarely more entertaining than the other phone calls I get. :wink:

c) TV commercials are not an “invasion” unless Mr. Clean jumps out of the screen, plops down in my living room and starts telling me how dirty my floors are. In other words, TV commercials don’t involve direct confrontation.

d) TV commercials may be considered an “interruption”, but I don’t mind them because they provide a “break” in the show for me to pee, make a sandwich, or let the dogs out without missing any of the action. Telemarketer calls pretty much ONLY interrupt.

That said, I don’t believe it’s necessary to be mean or resentful towards telemarketers. I do believe that most of them are just folks trying to make a buck, and I figure that most of them have the right to do so without MY abuse.

telemarketers != TV commercials. right.

But they’re pretty close to door-to-door salesmen and missionaries.

So, when a paper boy, or a Mormon comes to your door, do you scream, call them names, tell them they’re stupid, suggest they get a real job?

What about the Jehovah’s Witnesses that are particularly obnoxious and won’t take no for an answer? Do you scream at them? Call them goat felching losers with shit for brains?

Or do you just say “No” and close the door. And if it’s the latter, why don’t you do that on the phone?

It’s legal because the Telemarketing centers have PACs. If whores had a PAC prostitution would be legal, and by the way I join those who say every telemarketer should become a whore for their own good- at least a whore provides some service to society, how can you look at yourself in the mirror being a total parasite?

Because I telemarketers calling my house everyday. Sometimes four or more calls a day.

I have only had one Mormon knock on my door in the last four years. I usually go months without anyone except people who I have invited over knocking on my door. That makes it much easier to be nice to the door knockers.

If I had four Mormons at my door everyday I might end up yelling at them too.

Yes, I would get verbally rude w/JWs or anyone who came to my door, called me etc. who wouldn’t leave me the fuck alone.

why is it me that’s considered rude in that case? I haven’t asked for your product, religion etc.

Also re: door to doors, it’s a one time minor expense to put up a sign saying ‘no solititations’ on my door. If you knock anyhow, you get what I feel like delivering. RE: telemarketers, people spend money every month for products and services to avoid these calls and still get them . It’s indefensible.

And, the single telemarketer, working a 6 hour shift is able to annoy the crap out of significantly more people than any door to door sales person.

They’re the rude SUV drivers of telecommunications.

I’m importing this from Angel’s thread. As I said in that thread this has nothing to do with her, anyway:

In the other thread I wrote:

To which Jodi responded:

In what way am I inviting intrusions into my home. If someone comes to my door, I can prevent them from harrasing me by placing a no soliciting sign (for a fuck of a lot cheaper than $150 per year) and anyone ignoring it is breaking the law. Of course the Keen-on-Jesus folk sometimes ignore it, but pointing it out tends to keep them away as well.

<snip>

In what way do they have the right to cost me money(in addition to trying to earn even more of it)? I pay for a phone service, which btw, didn’t contain any clauses requiring me to take calls from sales people. I pay for additional services which theoretically is susposed to help, yet I still get calls. You car analogy is just too much mental gymnastics for me to address.

Your front door analogy would only work if my door remained open. In that instance it wouldn’t surprise me if any yahoo off the street walked in a tried to sell me something or for a better analogy began to search my house for loose change, or carryable items. Simarily in my business, we employ a receptionist whose duty it is to screen out unwanted intrusions. Simarily I can have security guards to remove anyone who didn’t get the clue from the receptionist.

No my front door swings open and closed for a reason, to keep unwanted visitors out. If I want to send an additional message, $3.00 buys me a sign at the local hardware. Telemarketers cost me time and money for what should be my right to be left alone.

Do Not Call

Here’s some info for Ny Dopers to try to stop the calls.

OK, I’ll concede on the Telemarketers/Commercials thing. The comparisons I was making were minor ones, and I neglected the differences.

But one thing about the DNC list–it’s not universal. There’s no single list that you can get on keeping all telemarketers from getting your number. Most telemarketing companies are hired out by clients who want their product sold “directly” and are given their phone lists by that company.* They’re programmed into a computer, called at random, and there you go. If you ask to be taken off the list, you get taken off that list. I wish there were another way, and there’s legislation in the works to make it so. For each company that calls, there’s a new DNC list to get put on to.

And is answering the phone really that inconvenient? We’re not Pavlov’s dogs, people–if the bell rings, we don’t need to salivate–many of you have said “the phone is there for my convenience, and nobody else’s.” I agree with that, which is why when mine rings, I don’t rush to answer it unless I’m expecting a call. If I’m outside, or in the bathroom, or fixing dinner, I let it ring; I take my time, I screen my calls, because there’s a chance I don’t want to talk to whomever is calling. If it’s really important, they’ll leave a message–I can’t be the only one with voice mail.

For all of you saying you get three, four, a hundred and eleventy-'leven calls a day, how many of those are from people who are actually polite? I get calls a lot also (there’s no insider group–even ex-telemarketers are not immune), and the vast majority of the people I am forced to take a minute and a half of my precious time for won’t even rebut when I tell them I’m not interested. Hell, I was the nicest telemarketer a lot of people spoke to,** but part of my job was to take a standard rejection and have be able to refute it.
Sure, there are a lot of rude telemarketers out there. But you don’t have to deal with them. “I’m not interested, thanks. <click>” is effective, and takes no more than seven seconds, even if you talk slowly. There are a lot of rude people at Wendy’s, your bank and the mall too…walking out on them is a lot more inconvenient and time-consuming.
There was one who did rebut. Over and over. And would interrupt my telling him I’m not interested (which, at the company I had worked for would get a fellow fired). He even interrupted me when I was telling him to take me off his list. I ended up complaining to his supervisor, and hoping like mad I put the little shit-stain out of a job. But he was an exception, not the rule.

And for the indescribable fuckwads comparing telemarketers to murderers and rapists (I can’t believe there wasn’t a dogpile for that–why not compare them to Hitler while you’re at it? Tell you what, I’ll even allow a suspension of Godwin’s Law :rolleyes: ), and those who say, “get a real job, because only ignorant trailer trash works in telemarketing,” Fuck. You. Twice. With a traffic cone. So I’m worthless scum who doesn’t deserve to breathe the same air that you do? Just because the company I used to work for had layoffs?*** And after six months of jobhunting in my field and not getting hired even on the rare occasion I found somewhere to apply(it’s the economy, stupid!).

The only place that would hire me did so on the spot, based solely on the fact that I could read a script and have a great voice.

For $7 an hour.

That’s half of what I had been making in my field. But without benefits.

And with the knowledge that compared to the only job I could find at the time, Shyster Lawyers, greasy Used-car Salesmen and Pimps hold a higher social standing. And I had to deal with people who didn’t know how to behave on the phone even before they know who’s calling, kids who shout for Mommy without covering the mouthpiece, people who chew with their mouths open (which bugs the shit out of me in real life; It’s even worse on the phone. My friends know that if they’re on the phone with me and they’re eating, I’ll hang up) and a dozen other things that I had to deal with on the phone which had nothing to do with the fact that I was a telemarketer.

It’s a shit job. Telemarketers know they’re in the most hated profession in the world, and they’re not proud of what they do. Any telemarketer who claims to enjoy it is lying. But someone’s gotta do it. They really do–Corporate America demands it.

[sub]*Many of these companies that you love do market research. The Gap, Barnes and Noble, Magazine Publishers, your friendly neighbourhood credit card company…They find that a surprising number of people do buy over the phone. If they didn’t, how long do you think telemarketing would have lasted? These companies aren’t stupid; they wouldn’t hire a marketing firm of any sort which does not make money for them.

**Yes, I was a nice telemarketer–if someone sounded sick, I gave them sympathy, if they sounded busy (talking fast, interrupting me with “uh-huh…yeah”) I’d ask them if we could try back at a more convenient time, if I heard the clattering of dishes or silver, I’d tell them that it sounds as if they’re just sitting down to dinner and we’d call back at a better time. I always spoke politely and with respect, never called a customer by their first name, always introduced myself and asked if they had a moment to speak with me.
And I know I’m not the only one in my company who did this.

***Go ahead find my name in one of those “I lost my job” threads. I dare you. No luck? That’s because I sucked in my gut and started looking for something without taking time to whinge about it. (Not that whingeing about it is a bad thing. I’ve seen too many people I like lose jobs, and seen many threads which did elicit my (unstated) sympathy. I prefer to piss, bitch and moan about minor things; something big comes along, and I generally keep my mouth shut about it. Go fig.) Six months later, look where it got me.
[/sub]

Do you have children? Aging parents?
Most of us have people we care about and have had occasion to worry that the next phone call we get may be an emergency. I don’t harass telemarketers, I don’t even mention the do not call list anymore- since it does no good, I hang up the phone immediately so as not to waste my time.

By the way, what’s up with the telemarketers who call you and put you on hold immediately- “please hold for an important message”? God damn, is that rude- I will honestly be happy when the genious who came up with that idea dies.

First, I just hang up or hang up with a simple, “Not interested,” but I resent having to pay for an unlisted number just to cut back the number of calls. But your comparison reminded me of something that happened in college.

My husband and I lived in an apartment that was a converted 5-story hotel. We lived on the 4th floor. Sometimes I would open the windows and the door (even though it led to the hallway) to let the breeze in and cut the A/C bill.

Once, I was home alone eating lunch when a man just walked into my apartment! He was in his mid-forties, nicely dressed (business casual) and could easily have been a lawyer. He just stood in the foyer and was asking me if I knew where someone was located (don’t remember now). My first response was, “You’re in my house,” to which he replied negligently, “I know,” and just repeated his question. He was never actually rude or discourteous (other than the obvious fact that he was standing in my apartment.)

I have never in my life wished that I had the gun in my hand more than at that moment, because I would have drawn it on him without hesitation. And yes, I do believe in never drawing a gun unless you’re willing to use it, though I doubt shooting him would’ve been necessary. I remember looking around the table for a weapon and trying to decide if I could make a run for the gun (a Beretta .22).

I think I managed to say something like, “Go ask the manager on the first floor.” I probably looked pretty wild and scared. He left; I shut the door, and I never left it open from that day forward. Even writing about this incident makes me light-headed with fear. That’s how badly this so-called “human being” invaded my privacy.

So, if I had called him names or unleashed profanity, it would’ve been necessary misplaced anger?

Unnecessary, misplaced anger.