# In My Humble Opinion, Trump has made even children into racist scumbags. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 8, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831 "2018-05-08T21:48:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/21 "2018-05-09T15:08:58Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > Yeah whenever I hear anyone say something like “children are so innocent, hate has to be learned, everybody is born kind and loving and non-racist &c”, I’m like…_no,_ _no,_ that’s not how it is…kids are _horrible_ to each other, everyone by default is a little monster, it’s being nice that has to be taught. Kids are naturally horrible to each other, but having their parents, teachers, peers or media sources encourage them to be horrible on particular grounds (e.g. race, sex, athletic ability) only makes it worse. I say it’s important for kids to have to come up with their own reasons for being horrible to each other, or they’ll just grow up lazy. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/22 "2018-05-09T15:16:45Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I need to ask, what are race relations like in the school? Was there a racial incident that might have started all this? In many schools the kids can be pretty divided. Like all the black kids sit together or they have alot of race based gangs. Are you asking if this is the fault of the black kids? ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/23 "2018-05-09T15:29:55Z")
**Urbanredneck** would _never_ do such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/24 "2018-05-09T15:35:38Z")
It’s a music class. Teach them “You’ve Got to be Taught”. ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/25 "2018-05-09T17:45:13Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I need to ask, what are race relations like in the school? Was there a racial incident that might have started all this? In many schools the kids can be pretty divided. Like all the black kids sit together or they have alot of race based gangs. I have not observed racial stratification among the students. The various social groups seem to have representation from the ethnic groups present in the school. Ethnic minorities do tend to come from the poorer parts of town. We have a number of multi-ethnic students. In fact, this is a trend that appears to me to be increasing. Having said all that, this is a very conservative, deep red, community. A recent legislative election had three candidates – two white Republicans and one black Democrat. The Republicans out-polled the Democrat 4 to 1. It is unclear at this time what role race played in that. We have one eighth grade white male student who regularly wears “I’m with Trump” T-shirts. He likes to wear his red MAGA hat. His T-shirts bear the InfoWars logo. As far as I know, he is of no relation to the “vote for me 'cause I’m not black” kid. I have not seen the MAGA 8th grader be disrespectful to any ethnic minority classmate. I do not engage him in his politics because it would be inappropriate for me to go there with him. He’s actually a pretty great kid. It’s a shame he proudly wears the logo of a hate group. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/26 "2018-05-09T17:53:44Z")
> [@Noelq](#): > > Before you condemn him, please make sure you have proof that this is true. Until you hear it with your own ears, or have corroborating evidence, it could just be a rumor. If its not true, then you avoid tarnishing this kid. If it is true, then you can take definite action. Or it could be a clever move by the opposition, who have learned the fake news technique of Karl Rove & co. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/27 "2018-05-09T17:57:24Z")
Why are you blaming Trump? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/28 "2018-05-09T18:01:16Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > Why are you blaming Trump? If somebody told a kid he could throw rocks at my car, I’d be pissed at both the kid _and_ the guy who ‘gave him permission’. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/29 "2018-05-09T18:03:07Z")
When did Trump give people permission (or metaphorically) to be racist? ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/30 "2018-05-09T18:13:58Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > When did Trump give people permission (or metaphorically) to be racist? Well, there was his characterization of most Mexican immigrants to the US as criminals and rapists (although some of them, he assumed, are good people). There was the refusal to unequivocally condemn the alt-right/racist crowds that had gathered in Charlottesville last year. And there’s the ongoing effort to block everyone from certain countries (which happen to be majority muslim) from entering the US, no matter how much it screws up people’s lives. His policies and conduct set the tone, basically declaring to the nation “racism will be tolerated, even encouraged.” [Hate groups in the U.S. remain on the rise, according to new study](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/hate-groups-in-the-us-remain-on-the-rise-according-to-new-study/2018/02/21/6d28cbe0-1695-11e8-8b08-027a6ccb38eb_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.eb23e6236c45) > [@Washington Post](#): > > “This has been a year that has seen increasing divisiveness and bigotry, particularly in the mainstream of American life,” Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center Intelligence Project, said in a conference call with reporters Wednesday. “There has been a substantial emboldenment of the radical right and that is largely due to the actions of President Trump, who has tweeted out hate materials and made light of the threat to our society posed by hate groups.” ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/31 "2018-05-09T18:22:31Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > And there’s the ongoing effort to block everyone from certain countries (which happen to be majority muslim) from entering the US, no matter how much it screws up people’s lives. Religion is not race. The stated reason was terrorism, not race or religion. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/32 "2018-05-09T18:31:36Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > When did Trump give people permission (or metaphorically) to be racist? A racist was elected to the highest position in the country. This is more of a game of ‘follow the leader’. Seriously, you can’t see that this would and has influenced people? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/33 "2018-05-09T18:34:01Z")
I blame the Russians. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/34 "2018-05-09T18:38:07Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > When did Trump give people permission (or metaphorically) to be racist? [His whole life.](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html) ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/35 "2018-05-09T18:40:56Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I blame the Russians. > > Regards, > Shodan That’s racist against Russians. (I hope you detect my sarcasm: nationality is not race.) ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/36 "2018-05-09T18:42:07Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > Religion is not race. The stated reason was terrorism, not race or religion. Correct! Don’t blame this on Trump. He’s clearly NOT racist, he’s overly Pro-America if anything. Put the blame on the parents of the kid. Done. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/37 "2018-05-09T18:50:21Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > Religion is not race. The stated reason was terrorism, not race or religion. This middle-schooler must not be as nuanced as you in that he is failing to see the distinction between racism and other forms of bigotry. For him, it appears to all be just one monolithic attitude about “those people”. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/38 "2018-05-09T19:00:15Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > Religion is not race. The stated reason was terrorism, not race or religion. Hey fine, if you want to shitpick, I guess “Mexican” isn’t a race either. Clearly you’ve blown my entire argument out of the water. Bravo. :rolleyes: The stated reason for the travel ban was indeed terrorism, but his willingness to inflict dehumanizing restrictions on an entire demographic group is an example of the kind of thinking that legitimizes outgroup hostility by able-bodied Christian white men. In the short time that Trump has been on the national political scene, we’ve seen him make fun of a disabled guy, learned of his abiding disrespect for the agency of women, seen him ban LGBTQ people from serving in the military, try very hard to keep muslim people from entering the US, slander pretty much every Mexican seeking entry into the US, and refuse to condemn white supremacists. Are you really arguing that any one of these things _doesn’t_ promote outgroup hostility - of which racism is one type? Do you seriously believe there is no crossover - that is, that promoting prejudice toward one nationality or religious group _doesn’t_ create an environment in which people - especially impressionable teens - also think it’s OK to be hostile toward people because of their race? ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/39 "2018-05-09T19:07:50Z")
Title aside, I think the topic as phrased is best suited for the Pit. Thread relocated from IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/40 "2018-05-09T19:10:24Z")
A nationalistic president, even if not racist, probably does appeal to racists. Does that mean nationalism is never the right course under some circumstances? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831.md?page=3)