# In My Humble Opinion, Trump has made even children into racist scumbags. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 8, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831 "2018-05-08T21:48:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/61 "2018-05-10T02:10:50Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > A nationalistic president, even if not racist, probably does appeal to racists. Does that mean nationalism is never the right course under some circumstances? What exactly is nationalistic about refusing to condemn white supremacists? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/62 "2018-05-10T05:17:00Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > That is correct. > > That statement is incorrect. > > Racists are racists, and it doesn’t matter who is in the White House. The last flat-out, open racist in the White House was Lyndon Johnson. Obama’s racism was more subtle, but it was there nevertheless. Trump racist? Meh. Of course, someone - such as yourself - who has freely admitted to using the word “wetback” wouldn’t consider Trump a racist. He’s just a regular guy, like you. You know, a racist. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/63 "2018-05-10T07:33:48Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > A nationalistic president, even if not racist, probably does appeal to racists. Does that mean nationalism is never the right course under some circumstances? Kind of a weird way to parse it, but nationalism’s appeal to racists isn’t THE reason that nationalism is never the right course (although it’s fair to characterize it as A reason). Even if every racist hated nationalism, nationalism would NEVER be the right course, under ANY circumstances. Because it’s Naziism. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/64 "2018-05-10T08:19:05Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > I don’t think anyone believes we shouldn’t put our country and its affairs first. “Nationalism,” however, generally arises amongst people who think the country “belongs to them” and that they should be able to dictate who gets to live in it. The idea that a country’s leaders should care for it first, no. But the idea that the only country which has to be taken into account is the one they lead, yes - and it’s this what’s actually been pushed. It’s not “America first”; it’s “America by itself although we still expect the rest of the world to buy what we make, sell us what we want at any price we care, let us build factories and gilded towers on their soil, etc.”. Specially the gilded towers, in Trump’s case. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/65 "2018-05-10T08:39:08Z")
I do in fact see a problem with “my country before your country.” I’m not saying we shouldn’t look out for what’s in our best interests, but it should not be at the expense of other countries. I don’t see how that’s any different from the asshole who only cares about himself and would fuck over everyone else. And that is exactly the problem I have with Donald Trump, and why I keep calling him “evil.” Patriotism, I find strange, but not that big a problem. I prefer standing up for principles, not countries, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with feeling a pride in one’s country or wanting to celebrate the freedom it provides. Hell, I’ll flat out call those who champion against the actual concept of freedom of speech “un-American,” though that’s in part because I know that such probably matters more to them than it would me. My main issue is only when patriotism is perverted. But nationalism? It’s just selfishness on a national scale. Other countries matter. I wouldn’t say “America first” any more than I would say “My needs first!” I do expect politicians to put the country above themselves. But I expect them to include “not fucking over other countries” in their calculations. The only exception is when they are an enemy, and even then I expect it to be about stopping the government doing bad things, not fucking over the innocent people of that country. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/66 "2018-05-10T11:35:28Z")
[Apparently this hasn’t been disseminated widely enough yet, so…](https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/an-important-distinction) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/67 "2018-05-10T12:46:02Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > Religion is not race. The stated reason was terrorism, not race or religion. If the bigot takes action against his target because he assumes his target follows a particular religion because the bigot assumes his target is of a particular race, then, yes, the bigot is racist. And, no, the stated reason for Trump’s ban was not terrorism. The jerk even tweeted during the court cases that it is based on a particular religion. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/68 "2018-05-10T13:23:42Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Patriotism, I find strange, but not that big a problem. I prefer standing up for principles, not countries, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with feeling a pride in one’s country or wanting to celebrate the freedom it provides. For many people, what they’re actually talking about when sounding patriotic is “the people, not the land”; that is, the culture and the principles it spouses. And that’s another thing nationalists, xenophobes and similar bigots don’t get: that a people, a culture, is something much bigger than a piece of land and not limited by lines on a map. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/69 "2018-05-10T14:19:56Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > Are you asking if this is the fault of the black kids? No, but I’ve seen some divided schools where for example, certain sections of the halls seem to be say all Mexican while another is all black while another is all Asian. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/70 "2018-05-10T14:21:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The President who did more for black rights since Lincoln? > > Trump is pretty damn openly racist. He accepted the KKKs support. What was that? Maybe a couple bucks? Hillary took way more money from Weinstein and the other Hollywood sickos. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/71 "2018-05-10T14:46:51Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > No, but I’ve seen some divided schools where for example, certain sections of the halls seem to be say all Mexican while another is all black while another is all Asian. And that would make it okay if a kid said “Vote for me, at least I’m not black”? ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/72 "2018-05-10T15:00:11Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > What was that? Maybe a couple bucks? Hillary took way more money from Weinstein and the other Hollywood sickos. hardly surprising you’d run to “whataboutism” to try to claim they’re the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/73 "2018-05-10T15:44:12Z")
Trumps claims are far worse then nationalism, they are fascism. The same weak fearfulness of the Eugenicist American authors who’s work culminated in what Hitler called his “bible” are echoed in Trump, the alt-right, and white nationalists play book. > **[The Passing of the Great Race](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race)** > > The Passing of the Great Race: Or, The Racial Basis of European History is a 1916 racist and pseudoscientific book by American lawyer, self-styled anthropologist, and proponent of eugenics, Madison Grant (1865–1937). Grant expounds a theory of Nordic superiority, claiming that the "Nordic race" is inherently superior to other human "races". The theory and the book were praised by Adolf Hitler and other Nazis, so much so that it was the first foreign book published by the Nazis\[clarification The f... Donald Trump is a fascist, plain and simple. This is not Godwin’s Law, the groups Trump calls “good people” dream and hope for a race war. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/fPTBzUMmRuA/hqdefault.jpg "Richard Spencer and the alt-right cheer race war") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPTBzUMmRuA) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/74 "2018-05-10T15:56:19Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Trumps claims are far worse then nationalism, they are fascism. > > The same weak fearfulness of the Eugenicist American authors who’s work culminated in what Hitler called his “bible” are echoed in Trump, the alt-right, and white nationalists play book. > > [The Passing of the Great Race - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race) > > Donald Trump is a fascist, plain and simple. > This is not Godwin’s Law, the groups Trump calls “good people” dream and hope for a race war. > > [https://youtu.be/fPTBzUMmRuA](https://youtu.be/fPTBzUMmRuA) He absolutely is an authoritarian. He would like to be a fascist, it is only a question of whether our elected officials prevent him from doing so, or enable him. Vote. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/75 "2018-05-10T20:48:23Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Trumps claims are far worse then nationalism, they are fascism. > > The same weak fearfulness of the Eugenicist American authors who’s work culminated in what Hitler called his “bible” are echoed in Trump, the alt-right, and white nationalists play book. > > [The Passing of the Great Race - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race) > > Donald Trump is a fascist, plain and simple. > This is not Godwin’s Law, the groups Trump calls “good people” dream and hope for a race war. > > [https://youtu.be/fPTBzUMmRuA](https://youtu.be/fPTBzUMmRuA) So… with the Congress, the Supreme Court, a majority of governors and state assemblies, the majority of the military all of the same party as the president where are the death camps? Or is your post yet more hyperbolic, partisan nonsense? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/76 "2018-05-10T21:07:42Z")
> [@Drum\_God](#): > > I am a high school band director. The junior high band director that I work with was having “officer” elections for her sixth graders – gonna-be seventh graders – today. They were voting for President, Vice President, etc. Very heady stuff for a junior high kid. > > Each student running for a position wrote a paragraph explaining why he/she was the ideal person for that particular job. There were two candidates for president. One of them is white, the other African-American. Both wrote paragraphs that were mostly unremarkable. The white kid wrote “Make Band Greater Again” in big letters on his paper. Okay. Whatever – it’s a slogan (even though he mis-paraphrased it). It’s not even a bad slogan, from a certain point of view. > > So, late this afternoon, it was brought to my and my counterpart’s attention that the white kid, in his efforts to make band greater again, has been going around school telling other kids to vote for him because “at least I’m not black.” > > Sonofafuckinbitch. > > Trump didn’t invent racism. He’s not even the best practitioner of racism. But, he has allowed the racists to feel emboldened. I am supposing that the white kid told his parents about the upcoming election and his opponent. The African-American kid has a name that one might commonly attribute to a black person (am I showing my own biases?). Perhaps the parent suggested the “at least you’re not black” campaign tactic. Sonofafuckinbitch indeed… however, as a teacher myself, and a guy who tends to read altogether too much into words to boot, “at least I’m not black” speaks to me of a guy who doesn’t like himself very much. It sounds a lot like “I’m an asshole and I won’t do shit for the band and I’m scared of not being seen as popular and there’s nothing positive I can really say about myself BUT etc…” So, you know, there’s at least an in to turn little racist shitkicker into somebody more… palatable. What, y’all haven’t seen American History X ? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/77 "2018-05-10T21:09:03Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So… with the Congress, the Supreme Court, a majority of governors and state assemblies, the majority of the military all of the same party as the president where are the death camps? > > Or is your post yet more hyperbolic, partisan nonsense? An odd question, or are you under the impression that all conservatives are fascists? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/78 "2018-05-10T21:10:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Only liberals can be racist, I suppose? You suppose wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/79 "2018-05-10T21:16:03Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The President who did more for black rights since Lincoln? ROTFLMAO. LBJ co-opted the Republic Civil Rights Plan and put it out there as his own. His famous statement on it: “I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for two hundred years.” Hr was not a champion of black rights in the slightest; he did it simply to get votes. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831/80 "2018-05-10T21:18:15Z")
> [@Enter\_the\_Flagon](#): > > Here, **Clothahump** , lemme help… > > If Obama weren’t such a racist, he’d have chosen to be born in the U.S., instead of in Kenya. 😉 As I have pointed out repeatedly, it doesn’t matter if he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, Timbuktu or Footrot Flats. He was a citizen due to his mother’s citizenship. But nobody seems to care about that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-my-humble-opinion-trump-has-made-even-children-into-racist-scumbags/813831.md?page=5)