# In our country, we kill people like you. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 27, 2002, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178 "2002-11-27T19:21:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/81 "2002-11-29T03:46:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Truth Seeker \* > \*\*You’d probably be doing her a favour as well. Let’s face it, Somalian refugees are not exactly on the cutting edge of modern liberal multiculturalism. Western – especially North American – ideas of tolerance aren’t something anyone’s is born with, they have to be learned – and you guys get the job of starting her education. \*\* Ah, you mean like the tolerant and enlightened people who said earlier she should get a “slap upside her head”, and her “ass kicked”, for spouting off such moronic nonsense? Wait a second, I think I can find some gasoline, anyone got a tire to stick around her neck so we can light her up? Maybe some people should try and develop thicker skins and not worry about what ignorant peasants say to them so much. ---
**Author:** ![Kitfox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f6c823/32.png) [@Kitfox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kitfox)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/82 "2002-11-29T05:34:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by chula \* > **I suppose you’re referring to the incident mentioned about some lesbians being sentenced to death in Somalia. (Actually, this story may be false. [See here.](http://www.afrol.com/News2001/som003_lesbians_sentenced2.htm)) You’re comparing apples and oranges. There is no rule of law in Somalia, so courts rulings are completely arbitrary. Homosexuality isn’t even illegal in Somalia, but it is in the United States. If you’re being violently attacked for being gay, I don’t think you’ll care what the extent of the government’s involvement was.** Actually, I’d like to think that if I was being violently attacked that a passing policeman would stop it, or that I’d have some legal recourse after, or that the possibility of either would discourage my attackers from actually killing and hopefully limit their number. So, yeah, I’d care a lot about my government’s involvement. > [@](#): > > \*\*In any case, we know that there are homophobes in Somalia - what the hell does that fact have to do with the other 1 billion+ Muslims in the world? It’s offensive that posters are trying to impute the woman’s homophobia to Islam. \*\* Okay, which Muslim countries do you think its conducive to a long happy life to admit homosexuality in? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/83 "2002-11-29T16:41:38Z")
Could we please drop the “not all Germans are Nazis” line of argument from all threads henceforth? Germans are not Nazis today because they lost the war in 1945 and had their noses rubbed in the Holocaust. But in from 1933 to 1945, the vast majority of non-Communist, non-Jewish Germans were Nazis–read Daniel Goldhagen’s **Hitler’s Willing Executioners**. The Germans, as a nation, were collectively responsible for gassing and incinerating millionsof innocent men, women, and children. And don’t give me “But Uncle Horst didn’t know about the camps”–yes, he did. The Germans knew what was going on, what had happened to their neighbors, what “resettlement to the East” really meant. So let us drop that line of reasoning. In that time and that place, an entire nation, with a few notable exceptions like Oskar Schindler, was guilty of murder. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/84 "2002-11-29T16:43:53Z")
Oh, and re: the OP. No Somali bitch is goping to come into MY country and tell ME that I’m unfit to live. She had better learn to keep her fucking garbage to herself or go back home and starve. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/85 "2002-11-29T17:07:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*Oh, and re: the OP. No Somali bitch is goping to come into MY country and tell ME that I’m unfit to live. She had better learn to keep her fucking garbage to herself or go back home and starve. \*\* So, you are recomending ‘bitch slap’ with oak leaf clusters? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/86 "2002-11-29T17:15:48Z")
Well, it would be swell if the SB (Somali bitch) would learn to love the ethnic and cultural diversity that is America and to appreciate the _joie de vivre_ her gay neighbors provide. If she wants to be one of the gang and make a new life for herself here, she is very welcome to. If she can’t let go of her religious homophobia then she is free to go home. We already have enough bigots here, we have no need to import more. ---
**Author:** ![Stephi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@Stephi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephi)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/87 "2002-11-29T18:49:05Z")
A quick update: My neighbor doesn’t want to pursue it any further. And it’s his choice, really, as I didn’t see the incident. There are other reasons why they want to move. And really the same goes for me, I think the apartment is way too small. I’ve too much junk. I’m looking for houses now. ---
**Author:** ![chula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a4c791/32.png) [@chula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chula)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/88 "2002-11-29T23:49:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*If she can’t let go of her religious homophobia then she is free to go home. We already have enough bigots here, we have no need to import more. \*\* Do you have any basis at all for believing that her homophobia is related to her religion? Did she mention any about Islam, God, the Koran, or religious leaders in justifying her statement? Once again: Not all Muslims are homophobes, and it is bigoted to think they are. ---
**Author:** ![chula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a4c791/32.png) [@chula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chula)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/89 "2002-11-29T23:51:11Z")
And another thing: Can “Somali bitch” be interpreted as anything other than an ethnic slur? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/90 "2002-11-30T00:37:40Z")
> [@](#): > > And another thing: Can “Somali bitch” be interpreted as anything other than an ethnic slur? Let’s see–she’s Somali and she’s a bitch, hence, “Somali bitch”. Frankly, naughty namecalling pales next to death threats, don’t you think? If she were from California, I’d call her a California bitch. > [@](#): > > Not all Muslims are homophobes, and it is bigoted to think they are. Just the ones who behead the gay folks after Friday services in Saudi. And no, religion wasn’t mentioned, but I’ll bet you a cotton-eyed Joe to a damned if I know that if you asked her, she’d mention religion as a reason for her hate. People who hate me get hated back. Fuck her. ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2002, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178/91 "2002-12-01T05:56:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by chula \* > \*\*I suppose you’re referring to the incident mentioned about some lesbians being sentenced to death in Somalia. (Actually, this story may be false. [See here.](http://www.afrol.com/News2001/som003_lesbians_sentenced2.htm)) You’re comparing apples and oranges. There is no rule of law in Somalia, so courts rulings are completely arbitrary. Homosexuality isn’t even illegal in Somalia, but it is in the United States. If you’re being violently attacked for being gay, I don’t think you’ll care what the extent of the government’s involvement was. > > In any case, we know that there are homophobes in Somalia - what the hell does that fact have to do with the other 1 billion+ Muslims in the world? It’s offensive that posters are trying to impute the woman’s homophobia to Islam. \*\* I don’t really think you can defend the position that Islam !=homophobia. I’m sitting in Riyadh now where there is definately the “rule of law” and homosexual males are executed whenever possible. Egypt is another spot where they imprison them. Also, lets not forget Iran and our dear friends the Taliban. It seems that anywhere we have a large group of hardcore believers in the “Religion of Peace” [sup] TM[/sup] we **also** get persecution of homosexuals, stoning of unwed mothers, death penalty for adulterous wives, and other fine barbarisms. Fundamentalist Islam seems completely incompatible with modern (Western) life. Testy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-our-country-we-kill-people-like-you/139178.md?page=4)