# In Praise of the Obamessiah, and other developments of the Sally Yates testimony **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2017, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179 "2017-05-09T03:55:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/21 "2017-05-09T14:30:24Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#): > > Are we still running with the Russian hackers story to excuse Crooked Hillary’s Election Day crushing? > > Fake news dies hard, huh? How old are you? ---
**Author:** ![1iLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/1ileft/32/4114_2.png) [@1iLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1iLeft)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/22 "2017-05-09T16:07:30Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > How old are you? It’s not an age thing. [There’s somethings you can’t fix.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDvQ77JP8nw) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/23 "2017-05-09T16:11:35Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Fuck off, revisionist. Hillary won 3,000,000 popular votes _more_ than Trump. That’s not a crushing, that’s a dominant performance which lost on a cheap, outdated technicality. > > Fake news? How 'bout fake brains? Coz that’s all you got. Hillary didn’t get crushed but she not only didn’t cover the spread she lost an election to fucking Donald Trump. She won California alone by 4.5 million. More than any other presidential candidate in US history. A 3 million popular vote advantage means almost nothing when over 100 million eligible voters didn’t vote. Pumping voter turnout in California is evidence of nothing but a horrible campaign strategy. I don’t know how anyone gets any solace from the popular vote, never mind try to undermine the legitimacy of the election based on the popular vote. The technicality that you are talking about is the way we elect presidents around here. its the way we have been doing it for almost a quarter millennia. Someone really should have told Hillary about the electoral college system (its not her fault, its never her fault, not really). Trump’s got his problems (a lot of them) but he is president because Hillary lost fair and square. The only candidate that cheated during this election was Hillary. If it turned out that Vladimir Putin personally hacked the DNC, Hillary campaign emails, Bank or Brazil speeches, it wouldn’t make the revelations any less true. If some Russian hacker had revealed the Access Hollywood story, it would still be true. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/24 "2017-05-09T16:14:12Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Actually, the Trump supporters are the ones who still talk about Hillary. It’s the last time Donald has actually accomplished something noteworthy. None of you are talking about the good Donald has done. You’re still holding on to the Hillary chestnut because you can’t find the means to snip the Russian puppet strings from president Twitter. The only good Donald has done is remove Kim Kardashian from the magazine covers because they can only follow one train wreck at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/25 "2017-05-09T16:16:15Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > 1. The hacking and disinformation campaigns happened What disinformation are you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/26 "2017-05-09T16:21:03Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I think it’s telling how normalized Trump has become that the former acting attorney general of the United States testified that the White House knowingly hired, and continued the employ for weeks, a liar and potential Russian agent as National Security Advisor and it took nearly 24 hours for there to be a thread about it. > > Is there any possible legitimate explanation that it took 18 days after being flat out told that Flynn was compromised, to fire him and even then only after the information leaked to the press all the while praising him? What do you mean by normalized? You may be right, but I remember everyone used to use the term gaslighting and it was retarded. I just want to make sure that the use of the term normalized isn’t similarly retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/27 "2017-05-09T16:34:23Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The only candidate that cheated during this election was Hillary. Stop making shit up. We deal in reality here, not evidence-free nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/28 "2017-05-09T16:47:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > What disinformation are you referring to? Seriously? If I responded based on reports from the Washington Post or the New York Times or Politico or Newsweek or Reuters or Wikipedia or US News and World Report or NBC News or The Economist or [you get the idea], would you tell me my sources were fake news? ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/29 "2017-05-09T17:00:07Z")
There is a not insignificant subset of republican/trump voters who believe that Obama was, rather than merely being wrong or even incompetent, actively hostile to American interests. Therefore anyone who worked in his administration, even in the most peripheral of capacities, is suspect and whatever they say can be discarded/discounted without the burden of having to actually refute what they actually said. This mindset does have the virtue of relieving folks of the arduous task of thinking, something for which they clearly lack requisite qualification. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/30 "2017-05-09T17:26:38Z")
I believe the latest spin is that this whole Flynn fiasco is Obama’s fault, because reasons. And the rubes eat it up with a spoon, because they already KNOW that Obama is evil, and wants to destroy the country. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/31 "2017-05-09T17:37:28Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I believe the latest spin is that this whole Flynn fiasco is Obama’s fault, because reasons. > > And the rubes eat it up with a spoon, because they already KNOW that Obama is evil, and wants to destroy the country. “That’s just the deep, deep game Obama is playing, man! He got himself elected President, twice, just so he could set things up so a GOP candidate would get elected next and then get embroiled in this scandal, see…” :rolleyes: We all know there are people saying that right now; some of us may even know people saying that right now. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/32 "2017-05-09T17:37:28Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > What do you mean by normalized? > > You may be right, but I remember everyone used to use the term gaslighting and it was retarded. I just want to make sure that the use of the term normalized isn’t similarly retarded. I mean if something similar had happened in the Obama, Bush or Clinton administration, we would be talking about it considerably more than we are. At this point the fact that the attorney general had reason to believe that the National Security Advisor is a Russian agent, and that the president of the United States was provided this information and did nothing is not the only thing that people are talking about today shows that this has become, to some degree, “normalized”. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/33 "2017-05-09T17:45:01Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#): > > Are we still running with the Russian hackers story to excuse Crooked Hillary’s Election Day crushing? > > Fake news dies hard, huh? So. Treason is OK, just as long as “crooked Hillary” didn’t win. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/34 "2017-05-09T17:56:04Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I mean if something similar had happened in the Obama, Bush or Clinton administration, we would be talking about it considerably more than we are. At this point the fact that the attorney general had reason to believe that the National Security Advisor is a Russian agent, and that the president of the United States was provided this information and did nothing is not the only thing that people are talking about today shows that this has become, to some degree, “normalized”. Forget it Fivey, it’s Chinatown. Dimmi is allergic to the word “normalized.” He gets a rash and starts name calling. Now who would figure? He is also working on his “retarded” issues by constant repetition of the word. There’s another big mystery for us all to ponder. But not too long. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/35 "2017-05-09T18:08:44Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Cite? Which media sources will you accept as legitimate enough to get past your blinkered cognitive dissonance? Alphabetically, please. Or do you reject ANY source that upsets your ‘fuck you, I’ve got mine’ world view? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/36 "2017-05-09T18:15:29Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Hillary didn’t get crushed but she not only didn’t cover the spread she lost an election to fucking Donald Trump. > > She won California alone by 4.5 million. More than any other presidential candidate in US history. A 3 million popular vote advantage means almost nothing when over 100 million eligible voters didn’t vote. Pumping voter turnout in California is evidence of nothing but a horrible campaign strategy. I don’t know how anyone gets any solace from the popular vote, never mind try to undermine the legitimacy of the election based on the popular vote. > > The technicality that you are talking about is the way we elect presidents around here. its the way we have been doing it for almost a quarter millennia. Someone really should have told Hillary about the electoral college system (its not her fault, its never her fault, not really). > > Trump’s got his problems (a lot of them) but he is president because Hillary lost fair and square. The only candidate that cheated during this election was Hillary. > > If it turned out that Vladimir Putin personally hacked the DNC, Hillary campaign emails, Bank or Brazil speeches, it wouldn’t make the revelations any less true. If some Russian hacker had revealed the Access Hollywood story, it would still be true. Hillary didn’t cheat during the election. You only believe that because you’re gullible enough to be fooled by misinformation. She didn’t steal the primary. She wasn’t, “Given the questions to the debates” she was given an unasked-for heads up about a question about Flint’s water supply. For a debate in Flint. :rolleyes: She didn’t steal Nevada. That was Sander’s supporters thinking a procedural vote was the vote for the caucus and losing their shit. Her foundation does real good, and has helped millions of people, it isn’t a fraud. Her speeches to Wall Street don’t beholden her to Wall Street. They wanted an important person to speak at their functions, they owe her, if anything. Please, just don’t be so fucking stupid. It’s this nonsense retweeted by liberals that put Trump in the White House. You got fooled. It’s okay. Brush it off and don’t let it happen again. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/37 "2017-05-09T20:02:29Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Is there any possible legitimate explanation that it took 18 days after being flat out told that Flynn was compromised, to fire him and even then only after the information leaked to the press all the while praising him? So, here is Spicer’s [explanation](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-delayed-action-on-yates-flynn-warning-because-she-was-political-opponent) today: \*White House press secretary Sean Spicer on Tuesday said Yates “is not exactly someone that was excited about President Trump taking office or his agenda.” “I think if you flip the scenario and say, what if we just dismissed somebody because a political opponent of the President had made an utterance, you would argue that it was pretty irrational to act in that manner,” Spicer said. “How is she a political opponent of the President?” the Daily Caller’s Kaitlan Collins asked. “She was the acting attorney general that he kept on.” “Appointed by the Obama administration and a strong supporter of Clinton,” Spicer replied. Later in the briefing, another reporter pressed Spicer on that remark. “You said that Sally Yates was a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton. What is that based on?” Politico’s Matthew Nussbaum asked. “I think she’s made some, you know, I think it was widely rumored to play a large role in the Justice Department if Hillary Clinton had won,” Spicer said.\* I’m trying to parse what the hell this means. Best I can understand is that the Attorney General told them that their National Security Advisor might be a Russian agent, but they didn’t act on that information because they have reason to believe that the Attorney General might be a Democrat. In other words, their best explanation really, really sucks. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/38 "2017-05-09T20:04:03Z")
> [@Great\_White\_Dope](#): > > Are we still running with the Russian hackers story to excuse Crooked Hillary’s Election Day crushing? > > Fake news dies hard, huh? > [@raventhief](#): > > How old are you? Same as his IQ. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/39 "2017-05-09T20:05:58Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I will invite posters who still engage with Dopey here to look at his email address. Now look at his name and note the “irony.” > > This guy is not legit. Engaging with him is pointless. The email address for Great White Dope is [ilovepresidenttrump@gmail.com](mailto:ilovepresidenttrump@gmail.com) OMGWTFBBQsauceROFLMAOlollerskatesroflcopters ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/40 "2017-05-09T20:12:25Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > Which media sources will you accept as legitimate enough to get past your blinkered cognitive dissonance? Alphabetically, please. > Or do you reject ANY source that upsets your ‘fuck you, I’ve got mine’ world view? Considering he couldn’t afford to fix a broken window, he ain’t got much. And a few years ago, he had to beg money so he could move his McDojo. Such a fine businessman yet he had little saved for such things. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179.md?page=3)