# In Praise of the Obamessiah, and other developments of the Sally Yates testimony **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2017, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179 "2017-05-09T03:55:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/81 "2017-05-10T03:25:46Z")
No. Office Current officer 1 Vice President Mike Pence ® 2 Speaker of the House of Representatives Paul Ryan ® 3 President pro tempore of the Senate Orrin Hatch ® 4 Secretary of State Rex Tillerson ® . . . 86 King Ralph, played by John Goodman I dunno, we might actually get there. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/82 "2017-05-10T14:11:43Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > Stop making shit up. We deal in reality here, not evidence-free nonsense. Have you seriously not read the emails where her campaign was getting debate questions in advance of the debate? That’s cheating by most standards. Have you not seen the emails regarding the DNC’s strategizing on how to stop Bernie? That’s not cheating on her part but its part of the cheating that the “ready for Hillary” crowd was engaging in. Facts can be stubborn things even if they are revealed by Russian hackers. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/83 "2017-05-10T14:13:51Z")
> [@Mr.Greenjeans](#): > > Seriously? If I responded based on reports from the Washington Post or the New York Times or Politico or Newsweek or Reuters or Wikipedia or US News and World Report or NBC News or The Economist or [you get the idea], would you tell me my sources were fake news? STILL not sure what disinformation campaigns you are talking about. The charge was that Hillary lost because of hacking and disinformation campaigns. AFAICT the hacking revealed facts, not disinformation. The only bit of disinformation that helped defeat Hillary was bad polling data that made Hillary believe she could spend all her time raising money in Silicon Valley and Wall Street. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/84 "2017-05-10T14:17:04Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I mean if something similar had happened in the Obama, Bush or Clinton administration, we would be talking about it considerably more than we are. At this point the fact that the attorney general had reason to believe that the National Security Advisor is a Russian agent, and that the president of the United States was provided this information and did nothing is not the only thing that people are talking about today shows that this has become, to some degree, “normalized”. I don’t know what sort of Kim Kardashian/Jersey Shore channels you watch but its about the only thing I am seeing on CSPAN an NPR. This is definitely bad as in we are approaching high crimes and misdemeanors" bad but I think its getting coverage. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/85 "2017-05-10T14:37:13Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Hillary didn’t cheat during the election. You only believe that because you’re gullible enough to be fooled by misinformation. So, you don’t know that Donna Brazile fed CNN debate questions to Hillary? > **[Donna Brazile finally admits giving primary debate questions to Clinton campaign](https://www.nydailynews.com/2017/03/18/donna-brazile-finally-admits-giving-primary-debate-questions-to-clinton-campaign/)** > > Donna Brazile has finally come clean: Yes, the fix was in for Hillary Clinton during last year’s Democratic primary. The former Democratic National Committee chair and ex-CNN contributor, in … > [@](#): > > She didn’t steal the primary. She wasn’t, “Given the questions to the debates” she was given an unasked-for heads up about a question about Flint’s water supply. For a debate in Flint. :rolleyes: If this story had been revealed after the first debate, do you think Hillary would have won the primary as easily? And the Flint water question was not the only thing that was leaked to the Hillary campaign. If Donald Trump had gotten emails from Fox giving him debate question before the Fox debate, would you still think it wasn’t cheating? Hillary is a cheater, doesn’t make Trump any better but its part of why she lost. > [@](#): > > She didn’t steal Nevada. That was Sander’s supporters thinking a procedural vote was the vote for the caucus and losing their shit. OK, not sure what that has to do with my post but once you establish that the DNC is in cahoots with the Hillary campaign, it casts a shadow over the entire primary. > [@](#): > > Her foundation does real good, and has helped millions of people, it isn’t a fraud. I didn’t mention the Clinton foundation either but just a few thoughts: The foundation employs her political operatives in the off season. Which is fine by me. The criticism isn’t that the Clinton Foundation is fraudulent (like Trump’s foundation). The criticism is that the Clinton Foundation was pay for play. It was a way for monied interests to gain access to the Clinton. The criticism started when the Hillary state department approved the Keystone XL pipeline after a large donation by parties related to TransCanada. I supported the Keystone XL pipeline but it looked pretty shady. Now, only a few months after the election, donations to the foundation have shriveled to a tiny fraction of what it was pulling in when access to the Clintons was actually worth something. > [@](#): > > Her speeches to Wall Street don’t beholden her to Wall Street. They wanted an important person to speak at their functions, they owe her, if anything. She was actively saying that she believed in border enforcement and told the bank of brazil that she believed in open borders. Was she lying on the campaign trail or lying to the Bank of Brazil? Talking out of both sides of your mouth like that makes a lot of people suspect that she was saying all sorts of nice things to Wall Street in the aftermath of the financial collapse then burning them when she is running for president. I wouldn’t blame her for being complimentary to the people paying her a quarter million dollars for showing up to shake a few hands and saying how nice she thinks everyone is. But when she failed to reveal the text of those speeches, it makes you wonder exactly how complimentary she was. > [@](#): > > Please, just don’t be so fucking stupid. It’s this nonsense retweeted by liberals that put Trump in the White House. You got fooled. It’s okay. Brush it off and don’t let it happen again. How did I get fooled? Facts are stubborn things even when they are revealed by Russian hackers. If you don’t learn from your mistakes this time around, you are going to be complicit in Trump’s re-election. Don’t fuck over the country twice! Condemn Hillary for the shitty candidate she was and vow on your children’s eyes never to nominate another shitty candidate like her again. She’s not a shitty person but she is a shitty candidate and no amount of vagina was going to make her a good one. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/86 "2017-05-10T16:44:03Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So, you don’t know that Donna Brazile fed CNN debate questions to Hillary? Why do you keep talking about Mrs. Clinton? You do know that she is not the president, right? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/87 "2017-05-10T17:42:42Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > Nixon resigned because Congressional Republicans pressured him to. > > Congressional Republicans pressured him to because they were the minority party in both houses of Congress, which means they definitely couldn’t stop an impeachment in the House, and it would only require a few defectors to render them unable to stop a conviction in the Senate (since that requires 2/3, rather than a simple majority). The Republicans held 42 Senate seats at the time; if they’d been even moderately hard party line, they could have gotten 34 votes to acquit. Frankly, it is unlikely they would have gotten 20 acquittal votes. Maybe not 15; Barry Goldwater told Nixon he would not get more than 18, _and that was just on the day he went to tell Nixon the bad news._ Without any pressure from the party leadership; it was 20-25 Republican Senators independently deciding “fuck this guy.” Had Nixon put up a fight and forced impeachment proceedings, quite honestly I doubt he’d have gotten ten acquittal votes. They didn’t call the “smoking gun” tapes that because the evidence was unclear. Goldwater did not so much pressure Nixon to resign as present him with the simple facts; the Senate was going to convict Nixon, and Goldwater himself would vote to convict. The Republican House Leader, Hugh Scott, was there as well, and told Nixon his party would abandon him in the house. 1974 was a different time. When it was beyond serious doubt Nixon was a crook, Republicans reached for their knives; he was their President, but a crime was a crime and their duty as Congresspeople was clear. It’s not like that now. Now they place duty to party and ideology above the law. The likes of Barry Goldwater would struggle to comprehend the politics of 2017. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/88 "2017-05-10T18:23:19Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > STILL not sure what disinformation campaigns you are talking about. > > The charge was that Hillary lost because of hacking and disinformation campaigns. AFAICT the hacking revealed facts, not disinformation. The only bit of disinformation that helped defeat Hillary was bad polling data that made Hillary believe she could spend all her time raising money in Silicon Valley and Wall Street. The campaign was rotten with fake “facts” originating from russia and picked up by right wing media, either knowingly or as dupes. It didn’t have to do with leaked “truth” or anything. And it was amplified by Hillary haters hyperbole, and fear of vaginas, presumably. It is still happening even now believe it or not. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html) Now use the word “retarded” and you can make it all go away. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/89 "2017-05-10T18:32:42Z")
About “leaked truth”. It is my understanding that the primary impact of the release of DNC hacking was to pour gasoline on the fire between Bernie and HRC supporters. Did infuriating the Bernie backers affect the Democrat base and the eventual electoral outcome? Well, sure. Wasn’t actually a lie, though, it was truth with malign intent. I think Putin’s primary goal was to promote anger against HRC, who he blamed for supporting Russian dissent movements. If that ended up with Trump winning, well, so much the better! The Prime Minister of Exxon, architect of the Arctic oil exploration deal, for SecState? Goody gumdrops! ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/90 "2017-05-10T18:54:15Z")
So Comey was fired because he blabbed too much about Hillary’s investigation prior to the Election? How considerate of Donald. He’s apparently forgiven Hillary, and will surely encourage his supporters to no longer chant “Lock her up!” Granted, his hypocrisy is nothing new, but firing the head guy investigating the WH/Russia ties is most convenient, for now. Is that the horn of Jericho I hear? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/91 "2017-05-10T18:58:32Z")
So wait, Pizzagate was real? That’s not disinformation? Clinton had a brain injury? There were actually people paid thousands of dollars to protest at Trump rallies? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/92 "2017-05-10T19:35:17Z")
Pizzagate was real, it just wasn’t true. Ms Conway will explain. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/93 "2017-05-10T19:36:15Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Like I said in the other thread, Comey is no longer useful to Trump. So, bye bye. Yep. Why was he wasting all this time and resources investigating Russian hacking? We all know that the real issue is to find those leakers who embarrassed the White House. In Trump’s version of _All the President’s Men_, Deep Throat would have been executed. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/94 "2017-05-10T20:49:51Z")
RickJay wrote: “There were actually people paid thousands of dollars to protest at Trump rallies?” You’d have to pay me a pretty penny to do it. Some of those folks ain’t wrapped too tight. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/95 "2017-05-10T21:00:32Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Why do you keep talking about Mrs. Clinton? You do know that she is not the president, right? He HAS nothing else at this point. And please stop quoting him, I had him on Ignore so I wouldn’t have to see his bullshit, and you’re messing with my program here. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/96 "2017-05-10T21:20:05Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > Nixon resigned because Congressional Republicans pressured him to. > > Congressional Republicans pressured him to because they were the minority party in both houses of Congress, which means they definitely couldn’t stop an impeachment in the House, and it would only require a few defectors to render them unable to stop a conviction in the Senate (since that requires 2/3, rather than a simple majority). > > So given the choice between resignation on the one hand, and definite impeachment and quite possible (though probably less than 50% chance) conviction on the other, they decided to go with the least bad option and pressure Nixon to get out. > > No such pressure exists on Congressional Republicans now. But the pressure not to get slaughtered by the stench of a rotting trump in 2018 is becoming more and more real by the day. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/97 "2017-05-10T21:44:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Have you seriously not read the emails where her campaign was getting debate questions in advance of the debate? > > That’s cheating by most standards. > > Have you not seen the emails regarding the DNC’s strategizing on how to stop Bernie? That’s not cheating on her part but its part of the cheating that the “ready for Hillary” crowd was engaging in. > > Facts can be stubborn things even if they are revealed by Russian hackers. Hey, DA Give me your opinion. This site [http://readconservatives.news/](http://readconservatives.news/) And this story [http://readconservatives.news/2017/03/28/president-trump-comeys-replacement/](http://readconservatives.news/2017/03/28/president-trump-comeys-replacement/) Real news or fake news? ---
**Author:** ![Beren\_Erchamion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/90ced4/32.png) [@Beren\_Erchamion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beren_Erchamion)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/98 "2017-05-10T22:32:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Have you seriously not read the emails where her campaign was getting debate questions in advance of the debate? That’s not what happened. Stop making shit up. > [@](#): > > Have you not seen the emails regarding the DNC’s strategizing on how to stop Bernie? That’s not cheating on her part but its part of the cheating that the “ready for Hillary” crowd was engaging in. That’s not evidence of anything untoward, and it’s certainly not evidence of anything that actually materially came to fruition to affect the outcome of the primaries. Stop making shit up. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/99 "2017-05-11T00:41:58Z")
In all fairness, if you require righties to “stop making shit up” many of them would be rendered incapable of speech. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/100 "2017-05-11T01:44:37Z")
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