# In Praise of the Obamessiah, and other developments of the Sally Yates testimony **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2017, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179 "2017-05-09T03:55:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/101 "2017-05-11T04:25:54Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > He’s apparently forgiven Hillary, and will surely encourage his supporters to no longer chant “Lock her up!” [He already did that months ago.](http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-lock-her-up-chant/) “That plays great before the election – now we don’t care, right?” ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/102 "2017-05-11T04:48:31Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > [He already did that months ago.](http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-lock-her-up-chant/) > > “That plays great before the election – now we don’t care, right?” Yeah, kinda like how, after announcing that the investigation was being reopened because more e-mails had been found, Trump called Comey courageous and said “it took guts”. It was brave. A guy could get fired for doing something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/103 "2017-05-11T13:05:12Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Why do you keep talking about Mrs. Clinton? You do know that she is not the president, right? I was responding to a post that claimed: “Hillary won 3,000,000 popular votes _more_ than Trump. That’s not a crushing, that’s a dominant performance which lost on a cheap, outdated technicality.” This was in response to a post by the OP making fun of the fact that the Russian probe is largely about hacks that revealed embarrassing facts about Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/104 "2017-05-11T13:12:41Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > The campaign was rotten with fake “facts” originating from russia and picked up by right wing media, either knowingly or as dupes. It didn’t have to do with leaked “truth” or anything. And it was amplified by Hillary haters hyperbole, and fear of vaginas, presumably. It is still happening even now believe it or not. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html) > > Now use the word “retarded” and you can make it all go away. Once again, in what way is the feeding of debate questions to the Hillary campaign, “fake news”? In what way was the DNC scheming to undermine Bernie “fake news”? In what way was Hillary’s speech to the Bank of Brazil that was in direct contravention to what she was claiming on the campaign tail “fake news”? So, I will ask again, what vagina-phobia driven disinformation campaign are you talking about? Because AFAICT the stuff that really hurt Hillary were facts. Like the fact that she is a horrible candidate, could be a great person, still a horrible candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/105 "2017-05-11T13:18:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > About “leaked truth”. It is my understanding that the primary impact of the release of DNC hacking was to pour gasoline on the fire between Bernie and HRC supporters. Did infuriating the Bernie backers affect the Democrat base and the eventual electoral outcome? > > Well, sure. Wasn’t actually a lie, though, it was truth with malign intent. I think Putin’s primary goal was to promote anger against HRC, who he blamed for supporting Russian dissent movements. > > If that ended up with Trump winning, well, so much the better! The Prime Minister of Exxon, architect of the Arctic oil exploration deal, for SecState? Goody gumdrops! Since when did truth become the enemy of this board? Oh that’s right, when it tilts against the liberals. If the primary impact of the revelation of facts about Hillary and her campaign widened the rift between Bernie and Hillary supporters (those fucking Bernie whiners complaining that Hillary cheated just because they have proof that she cheated), then the primary impact of the access Hollywood story was to widen the perceived rift between Trump and a decent human being. It was a truth with similarly malign intent, no? You either go where the facts take you or you pick and choose facts that will take you where you want to go. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/106 "2017-05-11T13:20:05Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > So Comey was fired because he blabbed too much about Hillary’s investigation prior to the Election? How considerate of Donald. He’s apparently forgiven Hillary, and will surely encourage his supporters to no longer chant “Lock her up!” > > Granted, his hypocrisy is nothing new, but firing the head guy investigating the WH/Russia ties is most convenient, for now. Is that the horn of Jericho I hear? The Russia probe was a fishing expedition but it sure looks like it caught something. It was a lot of hot air until now, but now the smoke is visible and prudence dictates that we investigate for fire. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/107 "2017-05-11T13:28:54Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > So wait, Pizzagate was real? That’s not disinformation? Clinton had a brain injury? There were actually people paid thousands of dollars to protest at Trump rallies? How exactly did pizzagate affect the election? Brain injury? I’ve never heard this on NPR or CSPAN. Perhaps I should start watching the trashy Kim Kardashian stations you do. But for every news story claiming Hillary had a brain injury that you can produce, I can produce 5 news stories talking about the DNC email hack. Whatever story there might have been about Hillary’s brain injury, it was not driving votes anywhere near as much as her cheating. Paid protesters, never heard the story. I doubt it was convincing to anyone that wasn’t already inclined to vote for Trump. Do you really think that this story had anything close to the effect on the election that getting debate questions ahead of the debate had? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/108 "2017-05-11T13:31:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Pizzagate was real, it just wasn’t true. Ms Conway will explain. AFAICT, pizzagate didn’t enter the public consciousness until after the election when that crazy guy drove to New Jersey with a bunch of guns and found out the pizza parlor in question didn’t have a basement. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/109 "2017-05-11T13:32:21Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > He HAS nothing else at this point. > And please stop quoting him, I had him on Ignore so I wouldn’t have to see his bullshit, and you’re messing with my program here. 😃 Another fucking snowflake who prefers an echo chamber to inconvenient truths. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/110 "2017-05-11T13:41:21Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > That’s not what happened. Stop making shit up. I provided links. What news source would you trust because I’m pretty sure every fucking news organization in America covered this story. > [@](#): > > That’s not evidence of anything untoward, and it’s certainly not evidence of anything that actually materially came to fruition to affect the outcome of the primaries. Stop making shit up. What am I making up? Am I making up the story about the emails? I suspect that if a similar story about cheating by the Trump campaign with the exact same amount of proof surfaced about Trump, you would be screaming bloody fucking murder. Facts are stubborn things. Hillary cheated, if this fact had been revealed early in the primary process, I bet it would have had an effect on the primary. Bernie might still have lost but Hillary would still be a cheater. Maybe Biden would have taken the opportunity to step into the race. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/111 "2017-05-11T13:42:31Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > In all fairness, if you require righties to “stop making shit up” many of them would be rendered incapable of speech. Only in a liberal echo chamber would anyone mistake me for a “rightie” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/112 "2017-05-11T13:44:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Bold!..decisive…leadership!..liberal hypocrisy… Is liberal hypocrisy a defensible thing? If liberals are mad about the conservative’s casual relationship with the truth, they really should have a closer relationship with the truth themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/113 "2017-05-11T14:30:25Z")
The new Acting Director of the FBI will be testifying today before the Senate Intelligence Committee (the same bunch Yates testified to.) Among the questions facing him is whether Comey had requested more funds for the Russia investigation recently. Comey told the committee that he did, but the DOJ is denying it. > **[Acting FBI director contradicts Trump White House on Comey, Russia probe](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/acting-fbi-director-set-to-testify-before-congressional-committee-in-potentially-explosive-hearing/2017/05/10/5173a5ce-35df-11e7-b4ee-434b6d506b37_story.html)** > > Andrew McCabe praised his ex-boss and told a congressional committee the Russia probe is a ‘highly significant investigation,’ contrary to what the White House has said. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/114 "2017-05-11T14:57:41Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > AFAICT, pizzagate didn’t enter the public consciousness until after the election when that crazy guy drove to New Jersey with a bunch of guns and found out the pizza parlor in question didn’t have a basement. And yet… the crazy guy had heard of it. There were stories out there. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/115 "2017-05-11T15:06:57Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > The new Acting Director of the FBI will be testifying today before the Senate Intelligence Committee (the same bunch Yates testified to.) Yates testified before the Judiciary committee not Intelligence. It’s hard to separate the congressional Russia hearings without a program. 😉 Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/116 "2017-05-11T15:08:53Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Hey, DA > > Give me your opinion. > > This site > [http://readconservatives.news/](http://readconservatives.news/) > > And this story > [http://readconservatives.news/2017/03/28/president-trump-comeys-replacement/](http://readconservatives.news/2017/03/28/president-trump-comeys-replacement/) > > Real news or fake news? Well its not on this list of fake news websites. > **[List of fake news websites](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fake_news_websites)** > > Fake news websites are those which intentionally, but not necessarily solely, publish hoaxes and disinformation for purposes other than news satire. Some of these sites use homograph spoofing attacks, typosquatting and other deceptive strategies similar to those used in phishing attacks to resemble genuine news outlets. > Fake news sites deliberately publish hoaxes and disinformation to drive web traffic inflamed by social media. These sites are distinguished from news satire (which is usually... It seems partisan and sensationalist. But I don’t see any fake news on the home page. Unless you think that a conservative website calling Obama disloyal to America “fake news” In short, its a trash website and I die a little inside knowing that they probably get more clicks than NPR and CSPAN combined. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/117 "2017-05-11T15:11:48Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > And yet… the crazy guy had heard of it. There were stories out there. Do you think that the pizzagate story changed his vote? Because AFAICT, all the disinformation that people are talking about was only credible to people to people who were going to vote for Trump already. I mean seriously. Was there anyone that was on the fence or even not really interested in voting at all who decided they had to vote for Trump because Hillary was running a white slavery rings out of the basement of a new jersey pizzeria? ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/118 "2017-05-11T15:22:32Z")
The “liberal hypocrisy” thing stopped being a valid argument the year it was revealed that Rush Limbaugh was a drug addict, Bill Bennett was a compulsive gambler, and that Strom Thurmond had a half-black offspring. (Not saying that libs can’t be hypocrites, mind you, but the phrase implies a certain linkage.) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/119 "2017-05-11T15:28:41Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > that crazy guy drove to New Jersey > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > a new jersey pizzeria Don’t you mean Maryland? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179/120 "2017-05-11T15:31:52Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > AFAICT, pizzagate didn’t enter the public consciousness until after the election when that crazy guy drove to New Jersey with a bunch of guns and found out the pizza parlor in question didn’t have a basement. New Jersey? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-praise-of-the-obamessiah-and-other-developments-of-the-sally-yates-testimony/786179.md?page=7)