# In preparation for the next "Willie Horton" ad **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 23, 2008, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528 "2008-04-23T11:10:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/61 "2008-04-24T14:47:50Z")
BTW, some group in NC is planning to air an add with Rev Wright’s “God damn America” speech. McCain is publicly asking them not to. [Link](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/23/AR2008042303510.html) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/62 "2008-04-24T14:51:19Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] BTW, some group in NC is planning to air an add with Rev Wright’s “God damn America” speech. McCain is publicly asking them not to. [Link](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/23/AR2008042303510.html) [/QUOTE] That deserves a [Pitting.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=465279) ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/63 "2008-04-24T14:59:56Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] How do you know they’re not? [/QUOTE] You’re right… I’ll bet they are!! I can hear it now: C’mon Rev, you saw how we swooned over Barack’s Crazy Uncle Speech. We’re just trying to help. Don’t you understand? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/64 "2008-04-24T15:11:30Z")
[QUOTE=9thFloor] It’s called a “double standard.” Obama has made an entire campaign out of it (well, that, and a speech). [/QUOTE] You have to admit, the speech was pretty darn good. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/65 "2008-04-24T15:14:49Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] That deserves a [Pitting.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=465279) [/QUOTE] You’re going to be a very busy man over the next few months… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/66 "2008-04-24T15:39:39Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] Anybody else agree with **Dio the C** that a Wright ad is worse than a Horton ad? Why hasn’t Wright been out defending himself and Obama if he isn’t what he’s been made out to be?? [/quote] [He has](http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/892017,wright041208.article). > [@](#): > > I heard he’s going to do an interview with catholic hater Bill Maher… that’s sure to be hard hitting! He’s going to be on [Bill MOYER’S](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/rev-jeremiah-wright-to-ap_n_97739.html) show, not Maher’s, and you’ll need to provide a cite for Maher (who was raised Catholic( being a “Catholic hater.” Please be advised that his criticism of the Pope and of the Church hierarchy for the pedophile coverups does not count as “Catholic hating.” ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/67 "2008-04-24T15:45:17Z")
[QUOTE=Bayard] Also, Gore mentioned the furlough **program** but never mentioned Horton by name ([Cite](http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/26/dem.debate/index.html), about halfway down - search for “horton”). [/QUOTE] I’m going to send that on to the Economist who stated that Gore did mention Horton at some point. The intent, however, was clearly there on Gore’s part. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/68 "2008-04-24T15:47:06Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic and you’ll need to provide a cite for Maher (who was raised Catholic( being a “Catholic hater.” Please be advised that his criticism of the Pope and of the Church hierarchy for the pedophile coverups does not count as “Catholic hating.”[/QUOTE] Have to agree with you here. Maher is an unfunny, patronizing, sycophantic half-wit (who gives superficial treatment to complex issues) but I have never seen him be anti-Catholic. To be sure he rails against the cover-up of the child assults but other than that he’s not overtly anti-Catholic. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/69 "2008-04-24T16:07:47Z")
[QUOTE=Lochdale] Have to agree with you here. Maher is an unfunny, patronizing, sycophantic half-wit (who gives superficial treatment to complex issues) but I have never seen him be anti-Catholic. To be sure he rails against the cover-up of the child assults but other than that he’s not overtly anti-Catholic. [/QUOTE] I guess referring to the religion as a “cult” doesn’t count? ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/70 "2008-04-24T16:09:15Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] [He has](http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/892017,wright041208.article). He’s going to be on [Bill MOYER’S](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/rev-jeremiah-wright-to-ap_n_97739.html) show, not Maher’s, and you’ll need to provide a cite for Maher (who was raised Catholic( being a “Catholic hater.” Please be advised that his criticism of the Pope and of the Church hierarchy for the pedophile coverups does not count as “Catholic hating.” [/QUOTE] Moyer !!! Thanks for the correction!!! Now that should be a fair and balanced interview, 😉 So when is that love-fest scheduled to air? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/71 "2008-04-24T16:10:45Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] I guess referring to the religion as a “cult” doesn’t count? [/QUOTE] No, it doesn’t. He ridicules all religions. Catholics just happen to be the biggest Christian denomination… by a long shot. He loved making fun of Mormons when Romney was still in the race. You have to do some real selective listening to think that he is anti-Catholic instead of anti-religion. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/72 "2008-04-24T16:15:39Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] I guess referring to the religion as a “cult” doesn’t count? [/QUOTE] No more so than you referring to it as a “religion.” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/73 "2008-04-24T16:24:09Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] Moyer !!! Thanks for the correction!!! Now that should be a fair and balanced interview, 😉 [/quote] What reason to you have to believe there will be anything unfair about it? > [@](#): > > So when is that love-fest scheduled to air? “Love-fest?” Are you still trying to debate anything with statements like that? Do you think you’re posting on Free Republic? If you want to allege that the Moyers interview will not be fair, then back it up with something. Incidentally, what exactly is it that you think Wright owes you an explanation for? Did he drop a little too much truth on you? ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/74 "2008-04-24T16:45:51Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] BTW, some group in NC is planning to air an add with Rev Wright’s “God damn America” speech. McCain is publicly asking them not to. [Link](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/23/AR2008042303510.html) [/QUOTE] Is there any doubt that the local GOP is running this in North Carolina now (instead of closer to the general) so as to help Clinton by tearing away at Obama? They say politics makes for strange bedfellows, but having Clinton being bunkmates with the VRWC has to be one for the books. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/75 "2008-04-24T17:11:54Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] [He has](http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/892017,wright041208.article). [/QUOTE] He has? That’s all you got? A eulogy at a private funeral. I’m talking about explaining to non-racist average Americans that he is not the leader of a Black Nationalist “Cult”. Bill Moyer… hmm, I don’t think I have an acceptable site to cite. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/76 "2008-04-24T17:20:10Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] He has? That’s all you got? A eulogy at a private funeral. I’m talking about explaining to non-racist average Americans that he is not the leader of a Black Nationalist “Cult”. [/quote] Do you have some evidence that he _is_? I guess he’ll deny it as soon as John McCain gets around to denying that he’s a brainwashed, Manchurian candidate. By the way, why hasn’t that nutcase Hagee “defended himself” to the press? He’s actually expressed offensive views, unlike Wright. > [@](#): > > Bill Moyer… hmm, I don’t think I have an acceptable site to cite. So you retract your accusation, then? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/77 "2008-04-24T17:40:33Z")
> [@DtC](#): > > Incidentally, what exactly is it that you think Wright owes you an explanation for? I don’t think he _owes_ me an explanation for anything, but I’d like to hear his explanation about how the government gives black people drugs. Or AIDS. And I’m offended when he refers to white America as the U.S. of KKK A. What is that supposed to mean anyway? That the KKK controls “white America”? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/78 "2008-04-24T18:35:18Z")
[QUOTE=Lochdale] I’m going to send that on to the Economist who stated that Gore did mention Horton at some point. The intent, however, was clearly there on Gore’s part. [/QUOTE] Not to make a racial issue out of it, it wasn’t. Which **was** the Bush team’s intent. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/79 "2008-04-24T18:37:17Z")
[QUOTE=ArchiveGuy] Is there any doubt that the local GOP is running this in North Carolina now (instead of closer to the general) so as to help Clinton by tearing away at Obama? [/QUOTE] Actually, the purpose appears to be to associate both Dem candidates for NC governor with Obama and therefore with Wright in the minds of the voters. But I won’t deny some Southern Pubs (1) would regard HRC as easier to beat in the general and (2) are much, much more frightened by the prospect of an Obama than a Clinton presidency. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2008, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528/80 "2008-04-24T19:07:11Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] So you retract your accusation, then? [/QUOTE] Nope… just pointing out that anything to the right of MoveOn or Salon or HufPo isn’t worth the time. You can be the winner though if you want. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-preparation-for-the-next-willie-horton-ad/446528.md?page=5)