# In recognition of Liberal **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911 "2004-07-20T00:50:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/41 "2004-07-21T06:36:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Man, we got some strange days going on around here of late. Got guys climbing out on the ledge, threatening to jump. Guys picking fights over whether a chihuahua is a better coon dog than a dachsund. And guys getting pissed off because some _other_ guy is being too nice to _another_ other guy. > > I blame Bush. This needs to be a _sticky_. ---
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/42 "2004-07-21T07:03:14Z")
**Lefty** , I have to ask: Cite? Not to slag or defend **Lib** , after all. My posts have been pretty whacked at times; I’m just curious. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/43 "2004-07-21T07:48:07Z")
Originally posted by **leander** > [@](#): > > _Pity your pint-sized perspicacity couldn’t perceive a parody._ Pontificial pomposity, perhaps? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f1d935/32.png) [@GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GSV_Consolation_of_Dreams)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/44 "2004-07-21T12:21:58Z")
**Denis** Here’s a link: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5071188&postcount=95](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5071188&postcount=95) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/45 "2004-07-21T13:12:38Z")
Apology accepted for what it’s worth, **Lib** : it gets me back to not quite where I was last week, before you called me Satan. That is, I still don’t expect much of you, and so can’t really be disappointed by you unless you go totally over the top. As for your illusion that I was your friend, I’m afraid I’m going to have to deny responsibility for that. Although you may be a nice person off the boards (and given the defense you sometimes get from folks that know you personally, you must be a friggin’ saint off the boards), your on-board behavior is too regularly dishonest, self-centered, and just plain _mean_. While I could put up with one of those things in a friend, all three is just too much of a bad thing. I don’t think I’ve ever deceived you about any of that. If you change, I might find you more respectable, and maybe even likeable; but I don’t expect you to, especially with your bizarre, positive-feedback attitude that you owe no politeness toward people that don’t like you. So like I said, I just don’t take you seriously. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/46 "2004-07-21T13:14:58Z")
> [@gum](#): > > Originally posted by **leander** Pontificial pomposity, perhaps? 😉 Puling pusillanimous poltroonery! ---
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/47 "2004-07-21T13:59:51Z")
Thanks **GSV**. That was weird. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/48 "2004-07-21T14:07:26Z")
If I understand you correctly, Daniel, you find me to be dishonest, self-centered, and mean, you do not take me seriously, and you have expected nothing more of me all this time. I’m left only to wonder then about the motives behind your expressions of concern about my mental health and your inquiries as to how you could assist me. I can scarcely conceive a thing so dishonest, self-centered, and mean as to lull a man into the comfort of believing that you care, only to unleash upon him the surprise that his trust was unrequited, that you never took him seriously, and that he is likely unredeemable in any case. Well, I can take a joke, so good one. Do I ever have egg on my face. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/49 "2004-07-21T14:13:26Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I’m left only to wonder then about the motives behind your expressions of concern about my mental health and your inquiries as to how you could assist me. If you’ll go back and look at my specific posts, you should have no cause to wonder. I’ve never been less than entirely straightforward, and it is (unsurprisingly) dishonest of you to pretend otherwise. Like I said: I’ve no reason to expect better of you. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/50 "2004-07-21T15:35:12Z")
I would have no expectations whatsoever of a man whom I did not take seriously, neither high nor low nor anything between. In fact, I would not even communicate with a man whom I sincerely believed to be dishonest. And if I found him to be unredeemable, I wouldn’t feign concern about him and offer him my help. And the very last thing I would do is drag him through it all again in some bizarre review ritual. You don’t care. I get it. Anything else? ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/51 "2004-07-21T16:25:44Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Just for the record, **Lib** is a man of pronounced opinions, standards, and commitments, and he **lives out** what he says on this board in real life. Given **Lib’s** recent postings (particularly with the recent addition of the Bobby Fischer material, which is almost unbelievable), I’ve got to say that I find **Polycarp’s** “assurance” downright scary. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/52 "2004-07-21T16:31:19Z")
Oh, Early Out, there’s no need to be coy. You’ve never pretended to have any stance other than contempt for me. I can respect that. Don’t wimp out on me now. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/53 "2004-07-21T17:54:03Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > it gets me back to not quite where I was last week, before you called me Satan > > … > > your on-board behavior is too regularly dishonest, self-centered, and just plain _mean_. Now, I ain’t tryin’ to pick a fight or nothing, **LHoD**. . . But I think an argument can be made that since **Lib** did not, in fact, call you Satan, your assertion that he did could be perceived as dishonest and self-centered. I don’t perceive it that way, mind you. But I think it might serve as another reminder that we all have our own biases, our own spin, and our own perceptions, and these color both our own posts and our reading of others’. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/54 "2004-07-21T18:43:35Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Now, I ain’t tryin’ to pick a fight or nothing, **LHoD**. . . > > But I think an argument can be made that since **Lib** did not, in fact, call you Satan, your assertion that he did could be perceived as dishonest and self-centered. > > I don’t perceive it that way, mind you. But I think it might serve as another reminder that we all have our own biases, our own spin, and our own perceptions, and these color both our own posts and our reading of others’. Oh, please. It could be perceived that way, but not reasonably so. My first post in this thread quoted him as saying, “like Satan.” A link later appeared to the post in question. Any reasonable person will understand what I was saying. I can’t be responsible for the ways in which a theoretical unreasonable person might misinterpret what I said. I recognize that I’ve got my own bias and my own spin. I’m not complaining about anyone’s bias or spin. If you honestly think that I’m misrepresenting someone–if you DO really perceive me as being dishonest–please let me know, and I’ll try to rectify the situation. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/55 "2004-07-21T19:00:25Z")
Just for clarification, are we talking about **Satan** , the former SDMB poster, or **Satan** , the cloven-hooved, I’m-in-love-with-Saddam-Hussein, pointy-stick-wielding, fallen favored angel of God? ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/56 "2004-07-21T19:18:49Z")
**Munch** , I was thinking the same thing earlier in the thread but I didn’t want to sound like a dumb dumb for asking. Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/57 "2004-07-21T19:21:19Z")
**Lib** regularly amazes, infuriates, gobsmacks, enlightens, puzzles, enrages, amuses, bores, repulses, inspires and dumbfounds me. At least he’s not a one-trick pony. 😉 I’d rather be reading posts from **Lib** at his worst than from **Reeder** or **milroyj** on what passes for a good day with them. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, eh, **Lib**? But an honest one. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/58 "2004-07-21T19:35:36Z")
A fine one, I’d say. No man can ask for more of his rhetoric than that it move and impassion another. Thanks, ETF. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/59 "2004-07-21T19:41:04Z")
Originally posted by **EddyTeddyFreddy** > [@](#): > > - Lib regularly amazes, infuriates, gobsmacks, enlightens, puzzles, enrages, amuses, bores, repulses, inspires and dumbfounds me. > > At least he’s not a one-trick pony. 😉 \* Maybe that’s what’s irritating people? They’re too boring themselves and therefore pick on someone who’s at least interesting? [and to me, often very dry-witted] Originally posted by **EddyTeddyFreddy** > [@](#): > > - Puling pusillanimous poltroonery\* hehehehe, Can’t beat you on that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2004, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911/60 "2004-07-21T19:47:45Z")
> [@gum](#): > > Originally posted by **EddyTeddyFreddy** Maybe that’s what’s irritating people? Surely you’ve not read this far and maintain any doubt as to what’s irritating people. Daniel [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-recognition-of-liberal/255911.md?page=4)