# In Soviet Russia, Mafia plays you! (Forbidden Thread for Glasnost Mafia -- No Players!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 22, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259 "2011-02-22T18:33:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/81 "2011-03-02T20:56:16Z")
Hm? Neither I nor Drain have spoileriffic information (as of yet). ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/82 "2011-03-02T21:02:33Z")
The antecedent of your question to **Drain** has information I was not aware of. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/83 "2011-03-02T21:10:50Z")
Hm? Do you mean Red’s post, or do you mean that my post pre-supposes some information you don’t have? I don’t see either. (The fact that Drain tried to blow me up is in my death reveal). ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/84 "2011-03-02T21:54:40Z")
Oh, so it was. That’s what happens when I only read the alignment reveal. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/85 "2011-03-02T22:31:41Z")
I was actually kind of hoping Drain would flip Town so I could ask Mental wtf he was thinking later. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/86 "2011-03-02T23:49:06Z")
Thought the Scum was unlikely to kill you if you were Town (ha!) and that Mental was going to be jailed (and was likely Scum). Scum, if they’re smart, will look at the MentalGuy doubters to find the jailer. Likely they thought he was Scum too and figured it wouldn’t help to jail him. I actually had a different player targeted and changed my mind halfway through the night because I was too worried that the Scum would target him too. Funny how that worked out. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/87 "2011-03-03T17:28:05Z")
BTW, a red flag that nobody else seems to have noticed, and which I had temporarily forgotten about in the excitement over **Drain** : [Quoth **peeker** , after seeing **Tom Scud** ’s reveal](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13513639#post13513639): > [@](#): > > well sorry to lose a townie but at least the bomber didn’t accomplish jack. Waking up to a single dead vanilla is a pretty darned good Night for Town. In fact, it’s pretty close to a best-case scenario (no-kill is obviously better, but that only happens about once a game, at most). I have a hard time seeing a Townie seeing that, and immediately looking for a silver lining in it (the “silver lining” that **peeker** saw is really just icing on the cake). In short, one _shouldn’t_ be sorry to lose a vanilla Townie, because that’s a _good_ outcome. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/88 "2011-03-03T18:29:25Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > BTW, a red flag that nobody else seems to have noticed, and which I had temporarily forgotten about in the excitement over **Drain** : > > [Quoth **peeker** , after seeing **Tom Scud** ’s reveal](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13513639#post13513639):Waking up to a single dead vanilla is a pretty darned good Night for Town. In fact, it’s pretty close to a best-case scenario (no-kill is obviously better, but that only happens about once a game, at most). I have a hard time seeing a Townie seeing that, and immediately looking for a silver lining in it (the “silver lining” that **peeker** saw is really just icing on the cake). In short, one _shouldn’t_ be sorry to lose a vanilla Townie, because that’s a _good_ outcome. Well maybe except he didnt say “vanilla townie” he just said “townie” so I don’t think I would count that as a slip. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/89 "2011-03-03T19:01:42Z")
But still, losing a Townie every night is a fundamental part of the game, not really something to be sorry to see. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/90 "2011-03-03T19:03:45Z")
Yeah, but it’s kind of tacky to go “woo-hoo! Tom’s dead and he’s vanilla! I never liked him anyway” ETA I suspect if you go back to earlier games and look at one-vanilla-death nights, there’s a fair amount of Town players saying “oh bummer” even though it’s close to the best possible result. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/91 "2011-03-03T19:13:50Z")
I find it best to not comment on the results of lynches or Night actions. Either you get accused of showing scummy emotion or of trying to look townie. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/92 "2011-03-03T20:07:21Z")
I agree completely, despite in reality usually defaulting to saying something low-key regardless of outcome and alignment. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/93 "2011-03-03T20:53:54Z")
After I posted that it was pretty much the best possible result, I was thinking “Oh, shit. That’s not true. Technically the best possible result would have been if they’d killed ME.” ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/94 "2011-03-03T20:56:21Z")
The best possible result would have been for them to have killed you after you’d targeted a scum for demolition. ETA … hm… Demolished Man mafia… no way I could pull off the flavor text, though. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/95 "2011-03-03T21:15:55Z")
I’ve retooled my SS Insipid rules set. I’ve toned down the special roles and made the Brig more useful to the town. And it’ll be open except for the role distribution. (PM me if you want to preview the rules.) I’ve balanced it for 16 players. Do you think there’ll be enough interest in a new, smallish game if I started gathering players on Monday? Or, should I wait another week? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/96 "2011-03-03T21:31:48Z")
I’d prefer if you didn’t start it right away, because I’d like to play in that, but my plate’s a bit full at the moment. But even aside from that, I don’t think that we can really support two Mafia games at once on this board: Your player list would end up being dominated by people who are only kinda sorta interested in playing, or who are playing in too many games at once, and who would therefore not participate enough to make for a good game. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/97 "2011-03-03T22:00:13Z")
I’ll wait at least another week then. I think we can support a smaller game, played out-of-phase with the bigger games. After all, by the time the big game is half done, half the players are already out of it. 🙂 I would discourage players in the other game from joining, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2011, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/98 "2011-03-04T01:13:22Z")
I would play, Pleo. Maybe I don’t get lynched day one this time 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/99 "2011-03-05T00:24:16Z")
Jailer’s having a good game. Hell, the jailer has already had a good game, I’d say, even if (s)he doesn’t accomplish anything for the rest of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259/100 "2011-03-05T03:16:29Z")
They’re currently ignoring a possibility. The Scum could have successfully recruited **Suburban Plankton** after his unforced vanilla claim, then gotten a Scummy **Idle** (perhaps the GF?) to say he got the message. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-soviet-russia-mafia-plays-you-forbidden-thread-for-glasnost-mafia-no-players/572259.md?page=6)